Hunting for Vick

[Mahdi]

feldspar.. great ****ing post.

and again, mahdi.. you threw race into a debate but i dont even think you know what your trying to argue..

i think your issue is that you dont agree with hunting.. that has nothing to do with mike vick being a douchebag that is going to jail.

Tatonka I suppose you are right.... I have mixed feelings on the issue which is evident in my arguments. I did say that I believe race is a factor in this case, which may or may not be true. I was always open to other peoples views on this topic and after reading several responses I can agree with many of them. I still maintain however that I personally have trouble seeing the difference between hunting for SPORT (not food) and the dog fighting ring. Again, in the end its a dead animal that was killed for a purpose other than necessity.

I suppose in a way I was playing devils advocate on this issue, not to stir up trouble, but to get a variety of opinions and arguments from other people. To clarify I DO NOT condone what he did, i guess it just bothers me that things like this can be avoided before they happen if the powers that be actually cared to take care of the root problems instead of just dealing with the bi-products. Again Im not trying to excuse his actions, he should be punished for committing an act he knew was illegal and more than that the level of cruelty involved. I am a pet owner, i have cats and I have had several dogs so I dont like what he did anymore than anyone else. Although I sounded like I was convinced with my arguments when I started the thread but that was only to get a variety of opinions on the subject since like I said have mixed feelings. To sum up, I still think that hunting should be banned because its just as cruel as dog fighting, Vick should certainly be punished, race is most likely not an issue.

Should Vick be banned from the NFL for life for this though?

[Cntrygal]

A human killing an animal in its natural habitat in no way compares to humans that chain, beat, maim, kill animals or train them to kill other animals (or people if they got in the way) for money or pleasure.


And as a sidenote: Hunters have to have "tags" (which they register & pay for) to be able to legally hunt, or they could end up in jail.

And Yes - Vick should never be allowed on the football field again.

[tat2dmike77]

I'm sick of this crap already. If manning or brady had done the same thing then there would be same reaction from the public. This is not a race issue but it has been turned into one, which is not surprising.

Hunters are not allowed to hunt all year. I personally am not a hunter nor do i have the urge to. But i know people that hunt and thier only allowed to kill so many deer per season. Thier also only allowed to hunt at certain times of the year. To compare this to hunting is just reaching. Your reaching for an excuse to save vicks ass.

So if you don't think this is a big deal then go to this web site and show these photos to your parents, wife/husband, boyfriend/girlfriend, children, friends, co-worker, grandparents, cousins, aunts, uncles, brother and sisters. And explain to them why you don't think this a big deal. Just to warn you there are very graphic pictures on this site that show the aftermath of dogfighting. http://www.workingpitbull.com/dogfighting.htm

[Ingtar33]

by your logic the romans feeding the Christians to lions in gladiator arenas was just a bit of fun

they both are death for entertainment, and gambling

i mean lets be serious, why not open a child death-fight ring in your back yard. you can get a few orphans, file their teeth to points, starve them and beat them. breed them, and then if they don't put up a good fight for you, you get to torture them to death.

give me a break dude.

i don't care if your skin is black - white - green - or purple. this is barbaric and disgusting behavior.

[hydro]

Tatonka I suppose you are right.... I have mixed feelings on the issue which is evident in my arguments. I did say that I believe race is a factor in this case, which may or may not be true. I was always open to other peoples views on this topic and after reading several responses I can agree with many of them. I still maintain however that I personally have trouble seeing the difference between hunting for SPORT (not food) and the dog fighting ring. Again, in the end its a dead animal that was killed for a purpose other than necessity.

I suppose in a way I was playing devils advocate on this issue, not to stir up trouble, but to get a variety of opinions and arguments from other people. To clarify I DO NOT condone what he did, i guess it just bothers me that things like this can be avoided before they happen if the powers that be actually cared to take care of the root problems instead of just dealing with the bi-products. Again Im not trying to excuse his actions, he should be punished for committing an act he knew was illegal and more than that the level of cruelty involved. I am a pet owner, i have cats and I have had several dogs so I dont like what he did anymore than anyone else. Although I sounded like I was convinced with my arguments when I started the thread but that was only to get a variety of opinions on the subject since like I said have mixed feelings. To sum up, I still think that hunting should be banned because its just as cruel as dog fighting, Vick should certainly be punished, race is most likely not an issue.

Should Vick be banned from the NFL for life for this though?

No matter how strongly you feel that hunting should be banned, there will always be hunting because it has a purpose. WE NEED it to keep the population down, otherwise the earth would become a terrible horror flick. ATTACK OF THE DEER!

[mybills]

Hey Mahdi, are you an African American?

[DaBillzAhDaShiznit]

I could not give any less of a crap about what color Mike Vick's skin is.

And shame on you for making this a racial issue when it isn't. YOU are the racist.

So you think we should give him another free pass because of his skin color?

I don't think anyone deserves a free pass, ever. He knew what he was doing

was highly illegal, and sunk a lot of money into doing it.


Personally I agree that there are double standards with regard to dog fighting vs. hunting (and even eating beef, pork, chicken....thousands of animals are slaughtered every day for our benefit).....I really don't know why dogs are regarded as "sacred" in this country. But the bottom line is they are....and it's illegal to participate in/sponsor dog fighting. So why would anyone (especially someone with so much to lose as a professional athlete) do it? I am sure those who do participate are as diverse in color/ethnic background as any other group.
Why does it matter that Vick is a black man? It doesn't.

[justasportsfan]

Vick was hired by a white man who gave him millions of dollars . THe white man also gave him millions in endorsements and hopefully become a role model. So how is this a racial thing again.

After all is said and done, after Vick does his time, he'll still be a millionaire. Boohoo.

[Gunzlingr]

I read two pages of this assinine thread, and that is enough to know it has to be about the stupidest thing ever posted here.

[LtFinFan66]

You have got to be kidding me with this thread

[MikeInRoch]

I did say that I believe race is a factor in this case, which may or may not be true.

Well, before you said it was a 'fact'. So at least you've backed down from that.

I suppose in a way I was playing devils advocate on this issue, not to stir up trouble, but to get a variety of opinions and arguments from other people.

Why else does anyone play devil's advocate?

To sum up, I still think that hunting should be banned because its just as cruel as dog fighting, Vick should certainly be punished, race is most likely not an issue.

Wait now - is it or isn't it?

[Dr. Lecter]

Mahdi, are you a vegetarian or a vegan?

[ZEUS]

I can't believe I read this whole thread. Mahdi, your argument is pathetic in every way, but I'm glad you have the minority opinion. As far as hunting and dog fighting, no one else has made this point. The dogs have no choice. They have no opprotunity to escape and if they choose not to fight or just defend themselves, they're tortured and killed. Disgusting to treat an animal that way. An animal that is hunted by true "sportsman" makes a choice in it's fate. It can choose to walk a different trail that day. I do like deer meat, but I don't hunt because I don't want to kill an animal. So I'm not defending hunters. As far as a racial issue and fixing the environment these thugs come from. Get real. They make their own choices and have to be responsible for those choices. Do me a favor and stay in Canada, we have enough liberal/socialist here already.

[Valerie]

It's not a black and white thing and I for one would hate Peyton Manning if he was caught doing this too. It's not about the color of the person, but his/her actions. And, just for the record, I don't like legal hunting either.

[Mahdi]

I can't believe I read this whole thread. Mahdi, your argument is pathetic in every way, but I'm glad you have the minority opinion. As far as hunting and dog fighting, no one else has made this point. The dogs have no choice. They have no opprotunity to escape and if they choose not to fight or just defend themselves, they're tortured and killed. Disgusting to treat an animal that way. An animal that is hunted by true "sportsman" makes a choice in it's fate. It can choose to walk a different trail that day. I do like deer meat, but I don't hunt because I don't want to kill an animal. So I'm not defending hunters. As far as a racial issue and fixing the environment these thugs come from. Get real. They make their own choices and have to be responsible for those choices. Do me a favor and stay in Canada, we have enough liberal/socialist here already.

They have a choice as to which trail to take that day? was that a joke? They have the opportunity to escape? a bullet? is this deer named Neo? And they are choosing their fate? WOW I didnt realize deer and bears were so clairvoyant.

[LtBillsFan66]

With modern weaponry and long distance scopes, I laugh at calling hunting a sport or for "sportsmen." I'm not against hunting, but that part it a joke.

If you chase down your prey and kill it with a rock, your bare hands, or a homemade weapon, then you can call yourself a sportsman.

[MikeInRoch]

I know it's just anecdotal evidence, but none of the hunters I know (and I know quite a few) let any of the meat from anything they hunt go to waste. Does it matter if they *need* to hunt to feed their family?

[LtBillsFan66]

I know it's just anecdotal evidence, but none of the hunters I know (and I know quite a few) let any of the meat from anything they hunt go to waste. Does it matter if they *need* to hunt to feed their family?

Even the anus?

[njsue]

Although I don't agree with the actions of Michael Vick, I also do NOT agree with the way he has been villanized, and I honestly think its pure BS. There are criminals all over the world treated with more respect than Vick has been treated with. I wonder if Peyton Manning committed these crimes what the reaction would be. In fact isn't it a common "caucasian" sport to go out shooting helpless animals in the name of fun? But I guess its ok because Deer, wolves, bears, etc don't roll over and fetch. The fact is people are always so quick to rip someone apart ESPECIALLY when their colored... YES I SAID IT! and its a fact that is greatly affecting this case whether ppl want to admit it or not. Also, Vick is being used as an example to the rest of the league and although I do agree that there should be an example made of some ppl who are constantly breaking laws in the NFL I don't think that Vick should be it and not so harshly. In fact I think that Willis McGahee is a MUCH WORSE human being than Vick is. Having kids and abandoning them routinely IMO is mush worse than Vick's crimes. I really wonder what everyone expects, society is so violent these days, is it really crazy that some ppl might enjoy dog fighting. How about cleaning up the streets and getting rid of the real criminals that are gunning down HUMANS on a daily basis! Also how about ridding the communities of gangs and guns and drugs.... so that people like Vick and others in the league don't have to grow up in situations that make them immune to such things. It seems the priority is nailing the guys who are actually making something of themselves and getting out of those dangerous communities instead of those who are creating it.


Im sorry, but people's perspective on this issue is way out of wack compared to the BIG PICTURE... and making Vick into this notorious criminal is ridiculous.

Vick is more like a Notorious Animal Killer for profit!

[MikeInRoch]

Even the anus?

Sure, round roast.