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    McShay rates Bills draft #1....

    In the AFCE....But thats great considering they all picked ahead of us....

    Have a look see...


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    Re: McShay rates Bills draft #1....

    I think pretty much anyone that just grades the first 2 rounds thinks we did a spectacular job. Those who give us lower grades generally didn't like our 4th round picks.
    Wake up, brush your teeth, and get ready for a day of hating the Dolphins. Or the Pats? How to choose?

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    Re: McShay rates Bills draft #1....

    Quote Originally Posted by Saratoga Slim
    I think pretty much anyone that just grades the first 2 rounds thinks we did a spectacular job. Those who give us lower grades generally didn't like our 4th round picks.
    Well if Corner becomes a solid nickel CB for us then he will be a wise investment. With more and more teams using spread offenses you have to be able to cover and first and foremost rush the passer. Hence taking Ellis in the 3rd and Corner in the 4th.

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    Re: McShay rates Bills draft #1....

    Im still steaming that Rucker was taken 3 picks before us. We would have had a perfect first 4 rounds had he fell. **** Cleveland

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    Re: McShay rates Bills draft #1....

    Quote Originally Posted by Mahdi
    In the AFCE....But thats great considering they all picked ahead of us....

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    In other words we were lucky. Leodis and HArdy fell to us.

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    Re: McShay rates Bills draft #1....

    Quote Originally Posted by justasportsfan
    In other words we were lucky. Leodis and HArdy fell to us.
    Id rather see it as patient drafting and sticking to your board. If they didnt get Hardy they could have had Kelly.

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    Re: McShay rates Bills draft #1....

    Quote Originally Posted by Saratoga Slim
    I think pretty much anyone that just grades the first 2 rounds thinks we did a spectacular job. Those who give us lower grades generally didn't like our 4th round picks.
    I'm starting to like our 4th round better. Apparently, Corner is a playmaker with great ball skills who may very well make our opening day roster. And Fine, who is not the field-stretcher that most of us wanted, is the ideal sure-handed, short yardage pass catcher who should thrive in our 3-step drop system.
    Should have known, way back in 1960 when we drafted Richie Lucas Number 1, that this would be a long, hard ride. But who could have known it would be THIS bad?

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    Re: McShay rates Bills draft #1....

    I think it's pretty silly to peg a draft because "People didn't like" a 4th round pick. The coaches got personnell that fit what system they want to install.


    If the Bills draft looked like this, would people complain?



    1- McKelvin
    2- Hardy
    3- Ellis
    4- Bowen
    4- Oman
    5- Bell
    6-Corner
    6- Felton (The guard we signed as an UDFA)
    7-Fine
    7-Johnson

    then went out and signed Cox as an UDFA?

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    Re: McShay rates Bills draft #1....

    Quote Originally Posted by FlyingDutchman
    Im still steaming that Rucker was taken 3 picks before us. We would have had a perfect first 4 rounds had he fell. **** Cleveland
    How do you know Rucker is the guy the Bills were going to pick??

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    Re: McShay rates Bills draft #1....

    Quote Originally Posted by Mahdi
    Well if Corner becomes a solid nickel CB for us then he will be a wise investment. With more and more teams using spread offenses you have to be able to cover and first and foremost rush the passer. Hence taking Ellis in the 3rd and Corner in the 4th.
    I was 100% OK with Ellis.

    I also agree that Corner could turn out to be a very good nickel back, said so in another thread as well. Pat Kirwin (I think it was Pat) said on Sirius a few days ago that NFL defenses worked out of the nickel formation on 55% of plays in 2007. We really need 4 decent CBs, so as to account for injuries. With McGee, Greer, McKelvin, Will James we've got 4, and Corner gives us good depth--with the potential for growth. Not a sexy pick, but could prove to be a good one in the long run. I think this pick, together with McKelvin shows that the FO was much more concerned about our secondary's coverage ability than we here in the peanut gallery.

    As for Derek Fine.....who knows. He is the only pick that I'm still questioning.

    In any event, I liked our rounds 5-7. Could be a very solid draft.

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    Re: McShay rates Bills draft #1....

    Quote Originally Posted by Dozerdog
    I think it's pretty silly to peg a draft because "People didn't like" a 4th round pick. The coaches got personnell that fit what system they want to install.


    If the Bills draft looked like this, would people complain?



    1- McKelvin
    2- Hardy
    3- Ellis
    4- Bowen
    4- Oman
    5- Bell
    6-Corner
    6- Felton (The guard we signed as an UDFA)
    7-Fine
    7-Johnson

    then went out and signed Cox as an UDFA?
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    Re: McShay rates Bills draft #1....

    Quote Originally Posted by DraftBoy
    Yes
    Because the Bills didn't get "Their guy"

    OK

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    Re: McShay rates Bills draft #1....

    Quote Originally Posted by Dozerdog
    Because the Bills didn't get "Their guy"

    OK
    No because those picks aren't much better then the ones we did make. Im glad many on here have taken the view that because Buffalo takes a guy he is a good pick, but the fact is that if Miami took Corner or Fine in Round 4 we'd be laughing our asses off at them but because we did its all the sudden ok? Im sorry for having an objective point of view I suppose. I never have said the picks suck or wont be good NFL players I just think better options were available and would of preferred we went in that direction.

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    Re: McShay rates Bills draft #1....

    We laugh at Miami because they pick stupid players in Rd 1 , 2, maybe 3


    Laughing at any legit pick outside of the top 100 for any team is a bit ignorant

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    Re: McShay rates Bills draft #1....

    Quote Originally Posted by Dozerdog
    How do you know Rucker is the guy the Bills were going to pick??
    Obviously I dont know for a fact, but they had brought him in for a visit and really liked him. He is one of the best receiving TEs in the draft, is very big, and you can move him around. He was one of the last of the top TEs left. Im almost positive they would have taken him.

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    Re: McShay rates Bills draft #1....

    Quote Originally Posted by DraftBoy
    No because those picks aren't much better then the ones we did make. Im glad many on here have taken the view that because Buffalo takes a guy he is a good pick, but the fact is that if Miami took Corner or Fine in Round 4 we'd be laughing our asses off at them but because we did its all the sudden ok? Im sorry for having an objective point of view I suppose. I never have said the picks suck or wont be good NFL players I just think better options were available and would of preferred we went in that direction.
    I really think missing out on Rucker caused us to go that different direction

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    Re: McShay rates Bills draft #1....

    it would be so awesome if Fine was a total bad ass. he is really the only pick that just made go "oh what the ****!".

    i hope he proves me and 99% of the other people who said the same thing wrong.
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    Re: McShay rates Bills draft #1....

    Quote Originally Posted by Dozerdog
    We laugh at Miami because they pick stupid players in Rd 1 , 2, maybe 3


    Laughing at any legit pick outside of the top 100 for any team is a bit ignorant
    No its not. GMs make their names by making Day 2 picks work to not be scrutinized on that is ridiculous, especially if you miss on better options.

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    Re: McShay rates Bills draft #1....

    Quote Originally Posted by DraftBoy
    No its not. GMs make their names by making Day 2 picks work to not be scrutinized on that is ridiculous, especially if you miss on better options.
    They may make their names on day 2 but they keep their jobs by hitting on day 1 and on paper our day 1 looks solid. Fact is all 32 teams will whiff on some picks in EVERY draft. At this point we can't know which picks are whiffs and which aren't.

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    Re: McShay rates Bills draft #1....

    In general I liked the Bills' draft. I'd rather they were able to draft one of the higher-ranked TEs but with the adddition of Hardy they have their big Red-Zone target, and so an absolute stud TE did not need to be a priority after that.

    The Bills' off-season so far has been good, between FA and the Draft the defense has got immeasurably better, the offense has been improved (and with better field position given to them by an improved D their improvement could be more than anticipated) and the ST unit has been improved with the addition of another explosive returner.

    Just because they didn't draft exactly who you wanted doesn't mean they didn't do a good job.

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