Mario Williams is "Fools Gold"

[coastal]

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I understand.

And he is definitely not "da man".

I just don't see where that money would have gone other than to more crap.

Whenever the question of Andy Levitre an Jarius Byrd come up, the opposite rationalization comes up... "they weren't worth it!"

two players who played well for Buffalo and produced throughout their rookie contracts were shown the door and not rewarded for their contributions to the organization.

again... that says something to EVERYONE in the organization.

This isn't madden franchise mode where you just plug in widgets with rating numbers to make our team better.

these are people we are talking about and the way the Bills are "managed" tells me that whoever is in charge, clearly, doesn't understand that concept.

the Mario signing and subsequent loss of these two players is the epitome of that.

[Guest]

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Whenever the question of Andy Levitre an Jarius Byrd come up, the opposite rationalization comes up... "they weren't worth it!"

two players who played well for Buffalo and produced throughout their rookie contracts were shown the door and not rewarded for their contributions to the organization.

again... that says something to EVERYONE in the organization.

This isn't madden franchise mode where you just plug in widgets with rating numbers to make our team better.

these are people we are talking about and the way the Bills are "managed" tells me that whoever is in charge, clearly, doesn't understand that concept.

the Mario signing and subsequent loss of these two players is the epitome of that.

With the Bills cap space room last year and this year, both of those players could have been easily signed despite Mario's contract.

The Bills incorrectly undervalued those two players.

That we we were operating with an internal salary cap under Ralph.

I hope things will be different under Pegula.

[coastal]

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This ain't the 1990s NFL anymore and IDGAF what Daryl Talley says or thinks about the state of the NFL. Of course he's gonna be angry, he missed out on all of these big money contracts.

The dude is a 3 time pro-bowler and a 3 time all-pro. Basically every other year he's making one of those two lists as he's played 7 full seasons. Bruce was a 5 time all-pro and 3 time pro-bowler in his first 7 full seasons.

Mario could go out and put up a 60 tackle and 20 sack season and you'd ***** that he didn't break Strahan's record.

Again, who else should the money have gone to?

So now Daryl Talley is just a bitter, retired ex-Bill?

and when Mario puts up 60 and 20... let me know.

[Blondie]

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Did Fletch/coastal/Blondie revive this thread to have a conversation with himself? Impressive.

Mario is worth the contract and place on this team.

Did you just throw a post in here for the sake of pretending you don't care??

[jimmifli]

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The reason I have no problem with the Mario signing is because I don't believe the Bills would have spent that money any more wisely or at all.

The Bills still are $9M under the cap this year and that is after having a league leading $23,692,276 in dead money.

http://overthecap.com/salary-cap/buffalo-bills

Is Mario overpaid? Sure, but it is irrelevant.

By the way, to everyone other than old homer fools in Florida, Buddy Nix was an incompetent idiot.

Agreed 100% We got a pretty good player for the price of a great one. And we could have added other good players but chose not to.

As for culture problems? The head of the franchise is a salesman that hires cheap coaches who hire inexperienced coordinators. The players know the Bills aren't doing everything to win. Bringing in one overpaid pretty good DE isn't killing the winning culture that's been established in Orchard Park.

[Fletch]

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81 TACKLES
23.5 SACKS
7 PDEF
3 FF

All of that in 2 seasons.........I have no problem with Mario Williams or his contract.

He got paid much more than the three players that finished ahead of him in sacks last season.

He got paid much more than the 16 players that finished ahead of him in sacks in 2012.

He logged 13 sacks last season, the team had 57 for a franchise record sacks. The result, a 20th ranked scoring Defense and a 6-10 record, again.

So what's not sinking in for you in this discussion?

I mean if you want to continue to evaluate Mario's contributions in a vacuum, keep on going, you're doing a fine job.

This really isn't very complicated. Get Mario for $100M, or get a bunch of other players that can help us win more games for the same amount of money.

[Mr. Pink]

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Whenever the question of Andy Levitre an Jarius Byrd come up, the opposite rationalization comes up... "they weren't worth it!"

two players who played well for Buffalo and produced throughout their rookie contracts were shown the door and not rewarded for their contributions to the organization.

again... that says something to EVERYONE in the organization.

This isn't madden franchise mode where you just plug in widgets with rating numbers to make our team better.

these are people we are talking about and the way the Bills are "managed" tells me that whoever is in charge, clearly, doesn't understand that concept.

the Mario signing and subsequent loss of these two players is the epitome of that.

Byrd should have been paid, point blank, period.

Levitre was fine to let go if the team would have kept Rinehart. Letting both go was beyond idiotic.

[Mr. Pink]

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So now Daryl Talley is just a bitter, retired ex-Bill?

and when Mario puts up 60 and 20... let me know.

Wouldn't you be bitter watching guys do the same job you did 25 years ago but getting paid 10 times for it? And Talley constantly mentions players of today and their behaviors.

And your argument against Mario isn't his onfield production, you think he's supposed to be a role model, a leader and vocal.

He's never gonna do any of those three things.

[Mr. Pink]

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This really isn't very complicated. Get Mario for $100M, or get a bunch of other players that can help us win more games for the same amount of money.

The team is still under the cap and could sign a couple more midlevel players to win more games.

And who should they have brought in instead?

[SquishDaFish]

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Agree with everything MR.Pink has said. I really think he beat you for lunch money or something.

[jlgarsh]

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Mario makes the other 3 defensive lineman out there with him better. Kyle, Marcel, and Hughes all had career highs in sacks playing next to him. Most of the time, he gets double teamed, allowing the rest of them to make plays. The defense was not the reason we were 6-10 last year. We gave the ball away in our own territory on multiple occasions, and our D held firm most of the time. If the team can get average QB play this year, the D will carry them to the playoffs.

[pmoon6]

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What does a players' contract have to do with anything? If you want to go that route, how much is Peyton Manning being paid to choke in Super Bowls.

As far as Daryl Talley, very few that put on a Buffalo uniform had a bigger heart or worked harder. Perfect type of player for WNY. It's well documented that he made Bruce Smith better. It's not documented, but the DL seems to have elevated their game last year and Mario is a part of that.

I am like Talley. I chafe at the present state of the NFL. The Defense is severely hampered by the rule changes, written and unwritten. When the offensive line is allowed to clutch grab and pull to protect marquee QB's who they don't want to go down to injury, the NFL has become a psuedo Arena League. Then again, that's what douchebag fans want...records broken and lots of points. Too bad those records are meaningless because the game has changed to such a great extent.

[Fletch]

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The team is still under the cap and could sign a couple more midlevel players to win more games.

And who should they have brought in instead?

You have to have a certain level of intelligence in order to be able to participate in a discussion as such.

Your points and take are so in a vacuum that it's ridiculous. Purely ridiculous.

[Fletch]

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Mario makes the other 3 defensive lineman out there with him better. Kyle, Marcel, and Hughes all had career highs in sacks playing next to him. Most of the time, he gets double teamed, allowing the rest of them to make plays. The defense was not the reason we were 6-10 last year. We gave the ball away in our own territory on multiple occasions, and our D held firm most of the time. If the team can get average QB play this year, the D will carry them to the playoffs.

BS

Talk about trolling.

Kyle's been one of the best DTs in the game and that didn't just happen in 2012.

The rest of the stuff that you absurdly attribute to Mario had primarily to do with the system last season.

Also, presumably you've missed the discussions earlier in the offseason and preseason where I posted links to analyses that clearly painted the picture that Mario was the worst of our linemen, all of them, not just the starters, at setting the edge as they like to say.

Sounds like you need to do a little homework first before coming into a discussion like this.

That's the problem with forums like this, anything sounds intelligent, but most of it isn't. "Making the guys around him better" is an overused and gratuitously used cliche that's become meaningless. So is the part about sustaining double teams, which is also false by the way, thereby allowing other defenders to make plays.

It sounds great, just like on TV, but unfortunately you're wrong.

Mario's not worth $100M or anything close. Anyone insisting that he is doesn't understand football.

[Night Train]

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