He makes far too many plays compared to everyone else as well, that's the part you're failing to realize.Originally Posted by OpIv37
He makes far too many plays compared to everyone else as well, that's the part you're failing to realize.
Never said he didn't make plays.
The problem is that he at least partially offsets his good plays with mistakes far too often for a guy taking up $6.5 million in cap space.
Your criticism is misplaced. If Regier overpaid, that's not Vanek's fault. And though it might have been a huge payday at the time, the league has caught up. He's now the 8th highest paid LW.
Whatever ails the Sabres, it is NOT Vanek. When you see the Sabres blindly throw the puck along the boards or miss a pass by 10 feet, it's not Vanek. His passes are tape-to-tape. The Sabres front line issues are with Stafford, Hecht, and Gerbe. Gerbe especially. He's lost. I'll give Foligno a pass...for now.
Lehner's history. He just doesn't know it yet.
PTI (02-28-2013)
You seem indifferent to the fact that he is one of the point leaders in the NHL, he's also + 3 in the plus minus ratings on a losing team.
1 Steven Stamkos TBL C 19 14 16 30 +2 12 5 0 0 0 69 20.3 21:54 24.1 47.3
2 Sidney Crosby PIT C 20 9 21 30 +9 8 2 0 0 0 76 11.8 21:38 23.0 56.7
3 Thomas Vanek BUF L 19 12 15 27 +3 14 5 1 0 0 71 16.9 19:25 23.2 71.4
4 John Tavares NYI C 20 13 12 25 -7 12 5 0 1 0 80 16.3 21:44 23.4 49.1
5 Henrik ZetterbergDET L 19 6 19 25 +3 10 3 1 2 0 62 9.7 20:50 24.4 52.4
I'm indifferent to the fact that he's a points leader because a) it doesn't lead to wins, b) it won't last as he is in one of his trademark slumps and c) getting points doesn't excuse mistakes like bad penalties.
Correction: whatever ails the Sabres is NOT JUST Vanek. Some of you fail to see his mistakes just because he racked up some points early in the season and because the rest of the team is even worse.
His points lead to our win last night, those other 5 point games probably didn't hurt us either.
Glad to hear that. By the way you post, one would think think it was.
No one ever said he doesn't screw up from time to time. As an old boss of mine once said, "If you don't make any mistakes, you're not trying hard enough."Some of you fail to see his mistakes just because he racked up some points early in the season and because the rest of the team is even worse.
It seems to me that you're going after the high-hanging fruit in your criticism of Vanek. He's arguably the best passer on the team. No question he's the best goal scorer. Right now, he's the most valuable member of the team and every GM in the league would happily snap him up, salary and all.
Skooby (02-27-2013)
I'd love to unload that contract, but without him this team goes from bad to epic disaster.
It's scary obvious, no idea how you can see it any other way.
It's over next year so someone will sign him and probably for more than what he gets now.
Skooby (02-27-2013)
Mistake.
He's not good enough to do it himself and giving him more than he makes now will limit the ability to put the right pieces around him, especially with the cap going down.
Yet, Charminville has 1 point in his last TEN games...
...Rob
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Some teams seem able to pay multiple players that much money. You act like we can only pay one like that.
It's not a mistake. It's what the market will bear. He's getting paid more than some guys at his position that he is at least comparable with or better.
We only do pay one like that. And every off-season/trade deadline, we neve seem to have the cap room for the best guys (Brad Richards, anyone?). So, maybe the team is cheap or maybe the cap is poorly managed, but when you look at the books, Vanek's cap hit jumps off the page. If there's another reason why we aren't signing guys, I'm still waiting to hear it.
Just because its what the market will bear doesn't mean it's not a mistake. Haynesworth got what the market was bearing at the time. And how many people are in foreclosure because they bought townhouses for $500k and had a mortgage that was 80% of their paycheck?
Ville Leino looks like the biggest pig by a landslide. Drew Stafford's 8 point performance while Pommer has about half of TV's points. I think a redirect in anger is needed here, best to find a better target.
http://www.hockeybuzz.com/cap-central/team.php?team=BUF
2012-13 2013-14 2014-15 2015-16 2016-17 2017-18 2018-19 2019-20 Thomas Vanek LW 6,400,0007,142,857 6,400,0007,142,857 UFA Jason Pominville RW 5,500,0005,300,000 5,500,0005,300,000 UFA Ville Leino LW 6,000,0004,500,000 4,000,0004,500,000 4,000,0004,500,000 3,500,0004,500,000 3,500,0004,500,000 UFA Drew Stafford RW 4,000,0004,000,000 4,000,0004,000,000 4,000,0004,000,000 UFA
Last edited by Skooby; 02-28-2013 at 08:34 AM.
Plenty of blame to go around. I just don't get why some of you think Vanek is exempt.
I think this is your problem. No one thinks Vanek doesn't share some responsibility for the team's dismal performance. It's just that of anyone on the team, his share is by far the least. He carries the team on his shoulders night after night. If he has a really good game, they might win. If he doesn't, they probably lose because no one else on the team can be counted on to shoulder the load in his place.
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