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I believe he was credited specifically by the Steelers organization on those three names. That's where I pulled that from. It was around the time he left to come to Buffalo.
First of all, talk is cheap in the NFL.
Secondly, if in all the years that he was in Pittsburgh, with all of their stellar picks during those years, that's all that he can be credited with, then why is he being haled as the next great GM in the NFL?
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Originally Posted by pmoon6
The idea that you "won't settle" presumes that you have some kind of control. Delusional thinking at best for a supposed fan of a spectators' sport. Your way to deal with it is to constantly ***** and denigrate any move, any result concerning the team even if it's positive because you don't want your whittle feewings hurt again. It's a protection mechanism.
You shroud your childish approach in a vale of pompous, intellectual garbage in an attempt to look smart and "real". You over-analyze even minute points and manipulate statistics to fit your negative view of the team. Again, to feel good about yourself and to protect from getting hurt.
Of course, the criticisms are obviously from someone who has no understanding of the team concept or what it takes to excel at athletics.
The true "realist" understands that they have no control of what happens on the field or behind the closed doors at One Bills' Drive, so they do the prudent thing for a spectator. They enjoy the games on Sunday with family and friends, cheer for their team and realize that it's just entertainment.
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"I was an integral part in the drafting process of EJ Manuel," Whaley said Thursday on NFL Network's Total Access. "I was the person that handled the draft process and setting up the board."
"We are committed. I want you to believe me when I say that," Whaley said of building around the second-year quarterback, per The Buffalo News. "I always tell you guys that I'll never say never because I don't want to paint myself in a corner, but when I do say something, I do it and I mean it and I try to fulfill it."
"We believe the addition of Sammy is going to be instant impact, not only to our quarterback, but to what our offensive coordinator can come up with game-plan wise and how defenses attack us," Whaley said.
Whaley on EJ Manuel: "We think we got a gem in this guy." (2:30)
"And as Mark says, if in three years maybe he's not [our quarterback of the future], then I'll be sitting there saying 'hey guys', .... anybody got a job for me?" - Doug Whaley
Not my quote. I'm not calling him anything, just pointing out some information about the guy.
I remember that one fateful day when Coach took me aside. I knew what was coming. "You don't have to tell me," I said. "I'm off the team, aren't I?" "Well," said Coach, "you never were really ON the team. You made that uniform you're wearing out of rags and towels, and your helmet is a toy space helmet. You show up at practice and then either steal the ball and make us chase you to get it back, or you try to tackle people at inappropriate times."
It was all true what he was saying. And yet, I thought something is brewing inside the head of this Coach.
He sees something in me, some kind of raw talent that he can mold. But that's when I felt the handcuffs go on.
Not my quote. I'm not calling him anything, just pointing out some information about the guy.
As was I. My point stands. A guy does three good things in ten years in a role, then moves to a different team, where a mountain is made out of a molehill, and then we're all supposed to get excited and "give the guy a chance" with enthusiasm, as if we have any choice.
All I'm saying is that the talk ain't matchin' reality here. Besides, the same people supporting Whaley also supported others in the past in the same way, others that have also ended up with disastrous results.
Manuel was clearly a reach and a poor pick at 16th last season, and as we'll find out, so will have been a 6'1" WR whose primary success was predicated on bubble screens in a system whereby a QB that threw 30-something TDs every season for the last three seasons wasn't even drafted until the 6th round. Why doesn't anyone else see that simple disconnect?
NFL history has absolutely no basis for the kind of success that Whaley has promised us in this first season. The only WR that even remotely had that kind of success as a rookie was Boldin, and the Cards went 4-12 that season. They were better in the two years prior as I suspect will be the same for us. They didn't post a winning season until 6 seasons after Boldin was drafted. He wasn't even a 1st-rounder.
IMO anyone that takes the approach that Whaley has, while "gutsy" or "breaking with the patterns of the past," or whatever we want to say, is definitely risky, but given the complete lack of precedent in NFL history, to me that makes anyone taking such an approach a fool. Do I think that Whaley's a fool? Yes, I do.
Besides, what was Whaley's role in the "risky" and "departure from ordinary" move to reach for Spiller, a move very much like for Manuel last season? Of course everyone will say that he had nothing to do with the move, but he was the Asst. GM at the time and specifically brought on to be the Bills' point man for personnel. So who would be the ones ignoring reality when they claim that Spiller had nothing to do with Whaley.
That move was "gutsy" too. We wee how that worked out.
I have no idea why fans are so quick to accept things with no basis in reality or history.
And who's to say that Whaley's Woodley, Timmons, and Polamalu here in Buffalo aren't Alonso, Gilmore, and Glenn or the like.
Dareus is good, but many don't think that he's lived up to his 3rd overall billing. I agree.
Aaron Williams, remember him, a "should have been 1st-rounder," has been all but a bust and has had to benefit from a system in a different position rather than on the talents that Whaley and his staff assured us he had.
Spiller's been mentioned, Torrell Troup was a disaster as was Carrington and there hasn't been a 3rd rounder on Whaley's watch that has amounted to anything relevant. Graham, Sheppard, Carrington, ... The 4th rounders have been even worse.
Glenn still has to prove that he can work outside of last year's system, which gave us sacks until we couldn't eat them anymore, but left us all hungering otherwise as RBs that won't even be in the NFL tore us a new one on a weekly basis.
(Moderator) My name's Max Yasgur, and I approve of this post.
Originally Posted by pmoon6
The idea that you "won't settle" presumes that you have some kind of control. Delusional thinking at best for a supposed fan of a spectators' sport. Your way to deal with it is to constantly ***** and denigrate any move, any result concerning the team even if it's positive because you don't want your whittle feewings hurt again. It's a protection mechanism.
You shroud your childish approach in a vale of pompous, intellectual garbage in an attempt to look smart and "real". You over-analyze even minute points and manipulate statistics to fit your negative view of the team. Again, to feel good about yourself and to protect from getting hurt.
Of course, the criticisms are obviously from someone who has no understanding of the team concept or what it takes to excel at athletics.
The true "realist" understands that they have no control of what happens on the field or behind the closed doors at One Bills' Drive, so they do the prudent thing for a spectator. They enjoy the games on Sunday with family and friends, cheer for their team and realize that it's just entertainment.
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"I was an integral part in the drafting process of EJ Manuel," Whaley said Thursday on NFL Network's Total Access. "I was the person that handled the draft process and setting up the board."
"We are committed. I want you to believe me when I say that," Whaley said of building around the second-year quarterback, per The Buffalo News. "I always tell you guys that I'll never say never because I don't want to paint myself in a corner, but when I do say something, I do it and I mean it and I try to fulfill it."
"We believe the addition of Sammy is going to be instant impact, not only to our quarterback, but to what our offensive coordinator can come up with game-plan wise and how defenses attack us," Whaley said.
Whaley on EJ Manuel: "We think we got a gem in this guy." (2:30)
"And as Mark says, if in three years maybe he's not [our quarterback of the future], then I'll be sitting there saying 'hey guys', .... anybody got a job for me?" - Doug Whaley
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