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The Bills could still become the NFL equivalent of the Leafs.
Sounds like that would be an improvement over what they are now. Right now it's like they're the Charlestown Chiefs from Slapshot, without the Hanson Brothers.
There aren't too many scenarios that you can paint like that that would represent a bleaker picture than what they are now. It doesn't get much more futile than one winning season over the last 14 years and no winning seasons in the last 9. There isn't one other team that can claim that, including Cleveland, Jacksonville, Oakland, St. Louis, or Tampa.
Oakland and St. Louis don't have a winning season in their last 10, but Oakland had three winning seasons before that and a trip to the big dance, and St. Louis had four of five winning seasons prior to that and won a Super Bowl.
We truly are the league's most futile team, so to attempt to paint us into a corner of futility due to a new owner with a move to Toronto, or anywhere, seems to be kind of ..., well, futile, wouldn't you say. It can't get any worse than where we are now.
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Originally Posted by pmoon6
The idea that you "won't settle" presumes that you have some kind of control. Delusional thinking at best for a supposed fan of a spectators' sport. Your way to deal with it is to constantly ***** and denigrate any move, any result concerning the team even if it's positive because you don't want your whittle feewings hurt again. It's a protection mechanism.
You shroud your childish approach in a vale of pompous, intellectual garbage in an attempt to look smart and "real". You over-analyze even minute points and manipulate statistics to fit your negative view of the team. Again, to feel good about yourself and to protect from getting hurt.
Of course, the criticisms are obviously from someone who has no understanding of the team concept or what it takes to excel at athletics.
The true "realist" understands that they have no control of what happens on the field or behind the closed doors at One Bills' Drive, so they do the prudent thing for a spectator. They enjoy the games on Sunday with family and friends, cheer for their team and realize that it's just entertainment.
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"I was an integral part in the drafting process of EJ Manuel," Whaley said Thursday on NFL Network's Total Access. "I was the person that handled the draft process and setting up the board."
"We are committed. I want you to believe me when I say that," Whaley said of building around the second-year quarterback, per The Buffalo News. "I always tell you guys that I'll never say never because I don't want to paint myself in a corner, but when I do say something, I do it and I mean it and I try to fulfill it."
"We believe the addition of Sammy is going to be instant impact, not only to our quarterback, but to what our offensive coordinator can come up with game-plan wise and how defenses attack us," Whaley said.
Whaley on EJ Manuel: "We think we got a gem in this guy." (2:30)
"And as Mark says, if in three years maybe he's not [our quarterback of the future], then I'll be sitting there saying 'hey guys', .... anybody got a job for me?" - Doug Whaley
(Moderator) My name's Max Yasgur, and I approve of this post.
Originally Posted by pmoon6
The idea that you "won't settle" presumes that you have some kind of control. Delusional thinking at best for a supposed fan of a spectators' sport. Your way to deal with it is to constantly ***** and denigrate any move, any result concerning the team even if it's positive because you don't want your whittle feewings hurt again. It's a protection mechanism.
You shroud your childish approach in a vale of pompous, intellectual garbage in an attempt to look smart and "real". You over-analyze even minute points and manipulate statistics to fit your negative view of the team. Again, to feel good about yourself and to protect from getting hurt.
Of course, the criticisms are obviously from someone who has no understanding of the team concept or what it takes to excel at athletics.
The true "realist" understands that they have no control of what happens on the field or behind the closed doors at One Bills' Drive, so they do the prudent thing for a spectator. They enjoy the games on Sunday with family and friends, cheer for their team and realize that it's just entertainment.
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"I was an integral part in the drafting process of EJ Manuel," Whaley said Thursday on NFL Network's Total Access. "I was the person that handled the draft process and setting up the board."
"We are committed. I want you to believe me when I say that," Whaley said of building around the second-year quarterback, per The Buffalo News. "I always tell you guys that I'll never say never because I don't want to paint myself in a corner, but when I do say something, I do it and I mean it and I try to fulfill it."
"We believe the addition of Sammy is going to be instant impact, not only to our quarterback, but to what our offensive coordinator can come up with game-plan wise and how defenses attack us," Whaley said.
Whaley on EJ Manuel: "We think we got a gem in this guy." (2:30)
"And as Mark says, if in three years maybe he's not [our quarterback of the future], then I'll be sitting there saying 'hey guys', .... anybody got a job for me?" - Doug Whaley
Sounds like that would be an improvement over what they are now. Right now it's like they're the Charlestown Chiefs from Slapshot, without the Hanson Brothers.
There aren't too many scenarios that you can paint like that that would represent a bleaker picture than what they are now. It doesn't get much more futile than one winning season over the last 14 years and no winning seasons in the last 9. There isn't one other team that can claim that, including Cleveland, Jacksonville, Oakland, St. Louis, or Tampa.
Oakland and St. Louis don't have a winning season in their last 10, but Oakland had three winning seasons before that and a trip to the big dance, and St. Louis had four of five winning seasons prior to that and won a Super Bowl.
We truly are the league's most futile team, so to attempt to paint us into a corner of futility due to a new owner with a move to Toronto, or anywhere, seems to be kind of ..., well, futile, wouldn't you say. It can't get any worse than where we are now.
The Bills went to the Super Bowl 4 times.............in a row.
When is the last time the Leafs played for the Stanley Cup 4 times in a row........or even once?
You people know that regardless of who buys the team, for how much, if/when a new stadium is built, an 'iron-clad' release is signed for eternity, etc, that some will never let the issue of moving the team not be an issue, right?
YardRat Wall of Fame #56 DARRYL TALLEY #29 DERRICK BURROUGHS#22 FRED JACKSON #95 KYLE WILLIAMS
You people know that regardless of who buys the team, for how much, if/when a new stadium is built, an 'iron-clad' release is signed for eternity, etc, that some will never let the issue of moving the team not be an issue, right?
You people know that regardless of who buys the team, for how much, if/when a new stadium is built, an 'iron-clad' release is signed for eternity, etc, that some will never let the issue of moving the team not be an issue, right?
Let's get to that "if/when" scenario first. It's that "if" part that has me concerned.
Right now you have all kinds of you guys lecturing us on things that would have to be contained in the trust details that apparently you know despite the info being stated as not having even been released yet.
So it's nice to have so many mindreaders here. In the meantime, please pardon those of us that want to actually hear what it says prior to stating for the record that we know for sure.
I realize that researched viewpoints aren't exactly the norm in sports forums, but can we at least give it the old college try on this one.
(Moderator) My name's Max Yasgur, and I approve of this post.
Originally Posted by pmoon6
The idea that you "won't settle" presumes that you have some kind of control. Delusional thinking at best for a supposed fan of a spectators' sport. Your way to deal with it is to constantly ***** and denigrate any move, any result concerning the team even if it's positive because you don't want your whittle feewings hurt again. It's a protection mechanism.
You shroud your childish approach in a vale of pompous, intellectual garbage in an attempt to look smart and "real". You over-analyze even minute points and manipulate statistics to fit your negative view of the team. Again, to feel good about yourself and to protect from getting hurt.
Of course, the criticisms are obviously from someone who has no understanding of the team concept or what it takes to excel at athletics.
The true "realist" understands that they have no control of what happens on the field or behind the closed doors at One Bills' Drive, so they do the prudent thing for a spectator. They enjoy the games on Sunday with family and friends, cheer for their team and realize that it's just entertainment.
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"I was an integral part in the drafting process of EJ Manuel," Whaley said Thursday on NFL Network's Total Access. "I was the person that handled the draft process and setting up the board."
"We are committed. I want you to believe me when I say that," Whaley said of building around the second-year quarterback, per The Buffalo News. "I always tell you guys that I'll never say never because I don't want to paint myself in a corner, but when I do say something, I do it and I mean it and I try to fulfill it."
"We believe the addition of Sammy is going to be instant impact, not only to our quarterback, but to what our offensive coordinator can come up with game-plan wise and how defenses attack us," Whaley said.
Whaley on EJ Manuel: "We think we got a gem in this guy." (2:30)
"And as Mark says, if in three years maybe he's not [our quarterback of the future], then I'll be sitting there saying 'hey guys', .... anybody got a job for me?" - Doug Whaley
(Moderator) My name's Max Yasgur, and I approve of this post.
Originally Posted by pmoon6
The idea that you "won't settle" presumes that you have some kind of control. Delusional thinking at best for a supposed fan of a spectators' sport. Your way to deal with it is to constantly ***** and denigrate any move, any result concerning the team even if it's positive because you don't want your whittle feewings hurt again. It's a protection mechanism.
You shroud your childish approach in a vale of pompous, intellectual garbage in an attempt to look smart and "real". You over-analyze even minute points and manipulate statistics to fit your negative view of the team. Again, to feel good about yourself and to protect from getting hurt.
Of course, the criticisms are obviously from someone who has no understanding of the team concept or what it takes to excel at athletics.
The true "realist" understands that they have no control of what happens on the field or behind the closed doors at One Bills' Drive, so they do the prudent thing for a spectator. They enjoy the games on Sunday with family and friends, cheer for their team and realize that it's just entertainment.
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"I was an integral part in the drafting process of EJ Manuel," Whaley said Thursday on NFL Network's Total Access. "I was the person that handled the draft process and setting up the board."
"We are committed. I want you to believe me when I say that," Whaley said of building around the second-year quarterback, per The Buffalo News. "I always tell you guys that I'll never say never because I don't want to paint myself in a corner, but when I do say something, I do it and I mean it and I try to fulfill it."
"We believe the addition of Sammy is going to be instant impact, not only to our quarterback, but to what our offensive coordinator can come up with game-plan wise and how defenses attack us," Whaley said.
Whaley on EJ Manuel: "We think we got a gem in this guy." (2:30)
"And as Mark says, if in three years maybe he's not [our quarterback of the future], then I'll be sitting there saying 'hey guys', .... anybody got a job for me?" - Doug Whaley
Let's get to that "if/when" scenario first. It's that "if" part that has me concerned.
Right now you have all kinds of you guys lecturing us on things that would have to be contained in the trust details that apparently you know despite the info being stated as not having even been released yet.
So it's nice to have so many mindreaders here. In the meantime, please pardon those of us that want to actually hear what it says prior to stating for the record that we know for sure.
I realize that researched viewpoints aren't exactly the norm in sports forums, but can we at least give it the old college try on this one.
Your anxiety closet makes Michael Binkley's look like a playground.
YardRat Wall of Fame #56 DARRYL TALLEY #29 DERRICK BURROUGHS#22 FRED JACKSON #95 KYLE WILLIAMS
Let's get to that "if/when" scenario first. It's that "if" part that has me concerned.
Right now you have all kinds of you guys lecturing us on things that would have to be contained in the trust details that apparently you know despite the info being stated as not having even been released yet.
So it's nice to have so many mindreaders here. In the meantime, please pardon those of us that want to actually hear what it says prior to stating for the record that we know for sure.
I realize that researched viewpoints aren't exactly the norm in sports forums, but can we at least give it the old college try on this one.
The Leafs ? WTH ? Hockey is off the board until ~Halloween man.
That's been my point all along. But the difference between you and me is that I don't claim to know what's in the trust, whereas you do, like selling it to someone that wants to keep the team here.
That's idiotically ridiculous. That could very well be the case, the mandate of the trust is UNKNOWN. But of course you alone know what it is and you know that it's not to sell to the highest bidder. We get that.
What did you expect, the team to be on the auction block as Wilson's casket was being lowered into its grave? These things take time, this isn't a franchise of Horton's being bought.
The difference between you and me is that I recognize that Mary Wilson doesn't live in Buffalo, has openly expressed that she won't care about the team or its business after her husband dies, and then I draw the link between that and the notion that money's likely more important to her than the welfare of the team which she has never even expressed a fleeting interest in.
You on the other hand seem to think that all of a sudden she cares about things that she's already said she doesn't care about, things that she's never publicly stated she cares about, and that things that other people typically value, like wealth in this case, is insignificant to her otherwise. Does that sound wise or logical to you?
I think some of you still can't get over the fact that Wilson lied to you when he said that he's done all that he could do to keep the team here. That's a proven lie now. He could have sold the team prior to his passing but chose not to. So he didn't do all that he could. He lied.
Wrong! Everyone's pitching this as if he did this just before he died and that was the best he could get. The truth of the matter is that he did this four years ago. It was a 10-year stipulation. He didn't know when he was going to kick.
If he had lived another two years we'd be on the cusp of that buyout year of 2019 given how much time it takes to build a stadium.
Everyone's giving him credit for the circumstances that exist after his passing, but they existed prior to his passing and the whole "6 years" thing is only 6 years because he happened to die this year. If he had died three years from now it would have been 3 years. How would everyone have felt then? Would everyone be saying what a great guy he was because he's committed the team to be here for one more bumbling coaching cycle? I very much doubt it. I think we'd be hearing a lot more complaints.
Or worse yet, if he had lived four or five more years and he would have failed to get a new stadium, as I think would have been likely given the state of things now, then the team would be poised to move almost immediately.
So in essence we're giving Wilson credit for dying now, this year, instead of a year or two down the road, and then crediting him with the circumstances that only exist because of the arbitrary timing of his death.
Seriously, some of you really need to get a grip on reality.
All i am claiming is that mary wilson doesn't present herself as someone who doesn't want to honor her husband's wishes. there are a number of reports which you systematically refuse to acknowledge that ralph wanted the team to be in buffalo. Jim Kelly himself had said that he was confident that the team would stay. you have state officials who are close to the subject suggesting that the team has a good chance of staying. no one has hit the panic button yet.
i don't know what ralph put in it, but as of the early 90's there was talk that ralph had a specific AR (after ralph) plan. and what we've seen so far from the lease, the owners approvals, and the toronto group being forced to say they won't move the team, that there is consideration about intent.
Furthermore, the richest guy in the battle is tied to the community, seemingly took on a bad sabres organization and has made it part of his larger plan of revitalizing the city. he's also liquidated $1.75BN. So it seems like he's very much in the thick of things, if not in the lead.
buffalo is continuously in the news for having some of the most stable real estate sales right now where the rest of the country is having housing volatility. it is getting good press for doing the right things in early stage revitalizations. to think the buffalo of today is the buffalo of 5-10 years is short sighted.
I give you that the region at 6 years may show that it can't support the team and the nfl will want out for London or some other stupid idea. but i also think the league knows from the LA experiments and from the expansion with Jax, that some of the data on regional growth doesn't always translate into support.
my point is that you just simply avoid what doesn't fit your narrative. your narrative is that buffalo is dying and that the owners and mary wilson are jonesing to screw over this city. i think it's more complicated than that and that we have a better chance of keeping the team than if this happened 5-8 years ago.
Your anxiety closet makes Michael Binkley's look like a playground.
LOL
Good one. No anxiety though brother, just looking at the facts.
It's pretty easy. You take what really happens, look at it using all of NFL history, take the statements made by team officials like Whaley and Marrone, and then ask yourself does it all make sense or are they more like politicians just promising things because they know that there's no ramifications for talking big without any justification.
What I'm looking for is to have a FO and coaching staff that finally starts making some real sense.
(Moderator) My name's Max Yasgur, and I approve of this post.
Originally Posted by pmoon6
The idea that you "won't settle" presumes that you have some kind of control. Delusional thinking at best for a supposed fan of a spectators' sport. Your way to deal with it is to constantly ***** and denigrate any move, any result concerning the team even if it's positive because you don't want your whittle feewings hurt again. It's a protection mechanism.
You shroud your childish approach in a vale of pompous, intellectual garbage in an attempt to look smart and "real". You over-analyze even minute points and manipulate statistics to fit your negative view of the team. Again, to feel good about yourself and to protect from getting hurt.
Of course, the criticisms are obviously from someone who has no understanding of the team concept or what it takes to excel at athletics.
The true "realist" understands that they have no control of what happens on the field or behind the closed doors at One Bills' Drive, so they do the prudent thing for a spectator. They enjoy the games on Sunday with family and friends, cheer for their team and realize that it's just entertainment.
------
"I was an integral part in the drafting process of EJ Manuel," Whaley said Thursday on NFL Network's Total Access. "I was the person that handled the draft process and setting up the board."
"We are committed. I want you to believe me when I say that," Whaley said of building around the second-year quarterback, per The Buffalo News. "I always tell you guys that I'll never say never because I don't want to paint myself in a corner, but when I do say something, I do it and I mean it and I try to fulfill it."
"We believe the addition of Sammy is going to be instant impact, not only to our quarterback, but to what our offensive coordinator can come up with game-plan wise and how defenses attack us," Whaley said.
Whaley on EJ Manuel: "We think we got a gem in this guy." (2:30)
"And as Mark says, if in three years maybe he's not [our quarterback of the future], then I'll be sitting there saying 'hey guys', .... anybody got a job for me?" - Doug Whaley
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