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Somebody should call up Glenn and tell him to take the entire season to recover, Williams and tell him he doesn't have anything to prove, Wood doesn't have to stay healthy, and Urbik, Hairston, Pears and KuJo to relax and quit trying so hard to win a starting job because obviously based on this conversation they are a non-factor and it's all on EJ.
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The Bills receiving core last year would have been no different, production wise, with keeping Jones And Nelson and not drafting Woods. And now going into the future it still will be no different.
With drafting Watkins, as long as he stays healthy, you're turning Woods into a 40-50 catch per season player for as long as Watkins is here. Something David Nelson could have easily provided or numerous other random WRs in the NFL for that matter.
Unfortunate for Jones his career is now over but that's not something you could have foreseen happening even a year ago as he didn't announce his retirement due to kidney disease til August.
No WR is good enough to not be held back by a bad qb. Reports from camp say Ej has accuracy issues and is slow making reads. If that continues into the regular season, Sammy will have a pedestrian season through no fault of his own. He can't do anything about EJ holding the ball too long and taking a sack or overthrowing him by 5 yards.
Reports from camp or a report from camp ? So many people are listening what WGR's Joe B. reports and taking it as word. Joe B. has never liked Manuel and he isn't going to change his tune, no matter what Manuel does. Joe B. and Manuel are both FSU products and I think that Manuel must of snubbed Joe B. for an autograph, or told him to stop stalking him, that's why Joe B. holds this grudge (sarcasm for some posters that can't realize it). Even fellow WGR staff have commented on Joe B's one sided opinion of Manuel. Watching hilites and listening to other reports, it looks like Manuel is improving and that's what we (most of us) want.
Do tell how you're such a great fan, so much better than myself. I'm sure you have your red, white, and blue "charging bill" thong underwear laid out for opening day. But you'll have to do better than that. I too have thong underwear. Though mine have a standing buffalo with "1965" embossed beneath. And they are made of leather, fashioned from the ball that Kemp tossed to Warlick to take a 7-nil lead in the championship that year. Truly.
Anyhoo...it was a joke. The thread title says the Bills will win. It doesn't say anything about playoffs, a winning season, or even reach the Jauron bar of 7 wins. I'm sure the OP meant that though...a winning season or even 8-8. Just poking fun.
Anyhoo...it was a joke. The thread title says the Bills will win. It doesn't say anything about playoffs, a winning season, or even reach the Jauron bar of 7 wins. I'm sure the OP meant that though...a winning season or even 8-8. Just poking fun.
Again, tough to tell here who's joking and who isn't when whomever started this thread says something like that but at the same time people are saying that players like Spikes, Rivers, Bradham, Graham (who by the way is a backup on the depth chart), and Searcy are going to provide us with the type of play that we need on D to make the playoffs. To me that's an equal joke, but people take it seriously.
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Originally Posted by pmoon6
The idea that you "won't settle" presumes that you have some kind of control. Delusional thinking at best for a supposed fan of a spectators' sport. Your way to deal with it is to constantly ***** and denigrate any move, any result concerning the team even if it's positive because you don't want your whittle feewings hurt again. It's a protection mechanism.
You shroud your childish approach in a vale of pompous, intellectual garbage in an attempt to look smart and "real". You over-analyze even minute points and manipulate statistics to fit your negative view of the team. Again, to feel good about yourself and to protect from getting hurt.
Of course, the criticisms are obviously from someone who has no understanding of the team concept or what it takes to excel at athletics.
The true "realist" understands that they have no control of what happens on the field or behind the closed doors at One Bills' Drive, so they do the prudent thing for a spectator. They enjoy the games on Sunday with family and friends, cheer for their team and realize that it's just entertainment.
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"I was an integral part in the drafting process of EJ Manuel," Whaley said Thursday on NFL Network's Total Access. "I was the person that handled the draft process and setting up the board."
"We are committed. I want you to believe me when I say that," Whaley said of building around the second-year quarterback, per The Buffalo News. "I always tell you guys that I'll never say never because I don't want to paint myself in a corner, but when I do say something, I do it and I mean it and I try to fulfill it."
"We believe the addition of Sammy is going to be instant impact, not only to our quarterback, but to what our offensive coordinator can come up with game-plan wise and how defenses attack us," Whaley said.
Whaley on EJ Manuel: "We think we got a gem in this guy." (2:30)
"And as Mark says, if in three years maybe he's not [our quarterback of the future], then I'll be sitting there saying 'hey guys', .... anybody got a job for me?" - Doug Whaley
I said that Watkins & Williams will BOTH put up MORE than 3 TD's each.
In other words, the Bills will score more POINTS.
Show your work in the logic on that. Show us how if they each put up 4 TDs that we'll have more than 16 passing TDs that we had last season, and then show us how it would necessarily mean more points. Then show us the logic in how that will necessarily win us more games.
There are a whole lot of things that you are leaving out in your one-dimensional analysis here.
If you ask me, if we even want to hit 16 TDs and score more, then they're both going to have to do more than put up 4 TDs apiece.
(Moderator) My name's Max Yasgur, and I approve of this post.
Originally Posted by pmoon6
The idea that you "won't settle" presumes that you have some kind of control. Delusional thinking at best for a supposed fan of a spectators' sport. Your way to deal with it is to constantly ***** and denigrate any move, any result concerning the team even if it's positive because you don't want your whittle feewings hurt again. It's a protection mechanism.
You shroud your childish approach in a vale of pompous, intellectual garbage in an attempt to look smart and "real". You over-analyze even minute points and manipulate statistics to fit your negative view of the team. Again, to feel good about yourself and to protect from getting hurt.
Of course, the criticisms are obviously from someone who has no understanding of the team concept or what it takes to excel at athletics.
The true "realist" understands that they have no control of what happens on the field or behind the closed doors at One Bills' Drive, so they do the prudent thing for a spectator. They enjoy the games on Sunday with family and friends, cheer for their team and realize that it's just entertainment.
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"I was an integral part in the drafting process of EJ Manuel," Whaley said Thursday on NFL Network's Total Access. "I was the person that handled the draft process and setting up the board."
"We are committed. I want you to believe me when I say that," Whaley said of building around the second-year quarterback, per The Buffalo News. "I always tell you guys that I'll never say never because I don't want to paint myself in a corner, but when I do say something, I do it and I mean it and I try to fulfill it."
"We believe the addition of Sammy is going to be instant impact, not only to our quarterback, but to what our offensive coordinator can come up with game-plan wise and how defenses attack us," Whaley said.
Whaley on EJ Manuel: "We think we got a gem in this guy." (2:30)
"And as Mark says, if in three years maybe he's not [our quarterback of the future], then I'll be sitting there saying 'hey guys', .... anybody got a job for me?" - Doug Whaley
It's not about being right or wrong or last laughs IMO, but more about discussing why you (or anyone) believes what they do.
I just don't see it. Again, citing just a few examples, and I won't have to dig for these, I'll just pick a few teams that had good WRs, maybe even great WRs, but finished 6-10 or worse last year, and point out what they did.
Tampa: Jackson & Wright, 7 and 5 TDs and about 1,800 between them. 4-12
Cleveland: Gordon & Cameron (TE), 9 and 7 TDs and about 2,600 between them. 4-12
Houston: Johnson & Graham (TE), 5 and 5 TDs and about 2,000 between them. 2-14
Oakland: Moore, Streater, and Rivera (TE), 5, 4, and 4 TDs and about 2,000 among them. 4-12
Not one of those teams scored more than we did last season. That was last season, forget this season in which you expect us to have more points.
I didn't even have to get past 4-12 to prove that just because WRs get more than 3 TDs that doesn't mean you're going to score enough points to post a winning record. That's all I'm saying.
When you say things like that it's always a good idea to go look to see if what you say holds water in the context of other examples, in this case teams.
(Moderator) My name's Max Yasgur, and I approve of this post.
Originally Posted by pmoon6
The idea that you "won't settle" presumes that you have some kind of control. Delusional thinking at best for a supposed fan of a spectators' sport. Your way to deal with it is to constantly ***** and denigrate any move, any result concerning the team even if it's positive because you don't want your whittle feewings hurt again. It's a protection mechanism.
You shroud your childish approach in a vale of pompous, intellectual garbage in an attempt to look smart and "real". You over-analyze even minute points and manipulate statistics to fit your negative view of the team. Again, to feel good about yourself and to protect from getting hurt.
Of course, the criticisms are obviously from someone who has no understanding of the team concept or what it takes to excel at athletics.
The true "realist" understands that they have no control of what happens on the field or behind the closed doors at One Bills' Drive, so they do the prudent thing for a spectator. They enjoy the games on Sunday with family and friends, cheer for their team and realize that it's just entertainment.
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"I was an integral part in the drafting process of EJ Manuel," Whaley said Thursday on NFL Network's Total Access. "I was the person that handled the draft process and setting up the board."
"We are committed. I want you to believe me when I say that," Whaley said of building around the second-year quarterback, per The Buffalo News. "I always tell you guys that I'll never say never because I don't want to paint myself in a corner, but when I do say something, I do it and I mean it and I try to fulfill it."
"We believe the addition of Sammy is going to be instant impact, not only to our quarterback, but to what our offensive coordinator can come up with game-plan wise and how defenses attack us," Whaley said.
Whaley on EJ Manuel: "We think we got a gem in this guy." (2:30)
"And as Mark says, if in three years maybe he's not [our quarterback of the future], then I'll be sitting there saying 'hey guys', .... anybody got a job for me?" - Doug Whaley
So you start this thread by saying that the reason the Bills couldn't win last year is because the WR's couldn't manage more than 3 TD's a piece, and now you're saying how good they are.
Your bias is nauseating.
LOL
He means well. Other posters say nonsensical things but are confrontational just because they think that they're better fans. They're the kinds of people that always want to fight about stuff instead of debate it reasonably.
(Moderator) My name's Max Yasgur, and I approve of this post.
Originally Posted by pmoon6
The idea that you "won't settle" presumes that you have some kind of control. Delusional thinking at best for a supposed fan of a spectators' sport. Your way to deal with it is to constantly ***** and denigrate any move, any result concerning the team even if it's positive because you don't want your whittle feewings hurt again. It's a protection mechanism.
You shroud your childish approach in a vale of pompous, intellectual garbage in an attempt to look smart and "real". You over-analyze even minute points and manipulate statistics to fit your negative view of the team. Again, to feel good about yourself and to protect from getting hurt.
Of course, the criticisms are obviously from someone who has no understanding of the team concept or what it takes to excel at athletics.
The true "realist" understands that they have no control of what happens on the field or behind the closed doors at One Bills' Drive, so they do the prudent thing for a spectator. They enjoy the games on Sunday with family and friends, cheer for their team and realize that it's just entertainment.
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"I was an integral part in the drafting process of EJ Manuel," Whaley said Thursday on NFL Network's Total Access. "I was the person that handled the draft process and setting up the board."
"We are committed. I want you to believe me when I say that," Whaley said of building around the second-year quarterback, per The Buffalo News. "I always tell you guys that I'll never say never because I don't want to paint myself in a corner, but when I do say something, I do it and I mean it and I try to fulfill it."
"We believe the addition of Sammy is going to be instant impact, not only to our quarterback, but to what our offensive coordinator can come up with game-plan wise and how defenses attack us," Whaley said.
Whaley on EJ Manuel: "We think we got a gem in this guy." (2:30)
"And as Mark says, if in three years maybe he's not [our quarterback of the future], then I'll be sitting there saying 'hey guys', .... anybody got a job for me?" - Doug Whaley
By the way bd, here's what I think that our WRs' stats may look like by the end of the season. I'll make some reasonable assumptions as to who our WRs on the roster will be and will also assume that Manuel stays healthy for all 16 games, something that I don't see as a wise assumption, but nonetheless. There's also no basis to assume that just because Manuel's in his second season that he will improve. Statistically the odds are about equal that he would improve or regress. I'll assume that he improves slightly though. I'll say 18 TDs, 16 INTS, which IMO is generous.
I realize that everyone thinks that Watkins is going to do 1,200/12 but the odds of that happening are so ridiculously remote.
I think that you'll get your 3+ TDs apiece from two WRs, maybe even three, but I don't see us being any better than the 6-10 we were last year. We couldn't stop good passing teams last season and this season we play even more of them and better ones. I don't see us winning any of those games, they'll be shootouts just like they were last year and we can't compete in those.
(Moderator) My name's Max Yasgur, and I approve of this post.
Originally Posted by pmoon6
The idea that you "won't settle" presumes that you have some kind of control. Delusional thinking at best for a supposed fan of a spectators' sport. Your way to deal with it is to constantly ***** and denigrate any move, any result concerning the team even if it's positive because you don't want your whittle feewings hurt again. It's a protection mechanism.
You shroud your childish approach in a vale of pompous, intellectual garbage in an attempt to look smart and "real". You over-analyze even minute points and manipulate statistics to fit your negative view of the team. Again, to feel good about yourself and to protect from getting hurt.
Of course, the criticisms are obviously from someone who has no understanding of the team concept or what it takes to excel at athletics.
The true "realist" understands that they have no control of what happens on the field or behind the closed doors at One Bills' Drive, so they do the prudent thing for a spectator. They enjoy the games on Sunday with family and friends, cheer for their team and realize that it's just entertainment.
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"I was an integral part in the drafting process of EJ Manuel," Whaley said Thursday on NFL Network's Total Access. "I was the person that handled the draft process and setting up the board."
"We are committed. I want you to believe me when I say that," Whaley said of building around the second-year quarterback, per The Buffalo News. "I always tell you guys that I'll never say never because I don't want to paint myself in a corner, but when I do say something, I do it and I mean it and I try to fulfill it."
"We believe the addition of Sammy is going to be instant impact, not only to our quarterback, but to what our offensive coordinator can come up with game-plan wise and how defenses attack us," Whaley said.
Whaley on EJ Manuel: "We think we got a gem in this guy." (2:30)
"And as Mark says, if in three years maybe he's not [our quarterback of the future], then I'll be sitting there saying 'hey guys', .... anybody got a job for me?" - Doug Whaley
Reports from camp or a report from camp ? So many people are listening what WGR's Joe B. reports and taking it as word. Joe B. has never liked Manuel and he isn't going to change his tune, no matter what Manuel does.
Afterall, there's just so much to like.
LOL
Honestly, if Manuel had been drafted by the Raiders in the middle of round one, had performed like he did last season there, you and the rest of his apologists here would be talking about him as if he were just next in the long string of Oakland's absurdly drafted 1st-round failures like Jamarcus Russell, McFadden, and Heyward-Bey.
(Moderator) My name's Max Yasgur, and I approve of this post.
Originally Posted by pmoon6
The idea that you "won't settle" presumes that you have some kind of control. Delusional thinking at best for a supposed fan of a spectators' sport. Your way to deal with it is to constantly ***** and denigrate any move, any result concerning the team even if it's positive because you don't want your whittle feewings hurt again. It's a protection mechanism.
You shroud your childish approach in a vale of pompous, intellectual garbage in an attempt to look smart and "real". You over-analyze even minute points and manipulate statistics to fit your negative view of the team. Again, to feel good about yourself and to protect from getting hurt.
Of course, the criticisms are obviously from someone who has no understanding of the team concept or what it takes to excel at athletics.
The true "realist" understands that they have no control of what happens on the field or behind the closed doors at One Bills' Drive, so they do the prudent thing for a spectator. They enjoy the games on Sunday with family and friends, cheer for their team and realize that it's just entertainment.
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"I was an integral part in the drafting process of EJ Manuel," Whaley said Thursday on NFL Network's Total Access. "I was the person that handled the draft process and setting up the board."
"We are committed. I want you to believe me when I say that," Whaley said of building around the second-year quarterback, per The Buffalo News. "I always tell you guys that I'll never say never because I don't want to paint myself in a corner, but when I do say something, I do it and I mean it and I try to fulfill it."
"We believe the addition of Sammy is going to be instant impact, not only to our quarterback, but to what our offensive coordinator can come up with game-plan wise and how defenses attack us," Whaley said.
Whaley on EJ Manuel: "We think we got a gem in this guy." (2:30)
"And as Mark says, if in three years maybe he's not [our quarterback of the future], then I'll be sitting there saying 'hey guys', .... anybody got a job for me?" - Doug Whaley
Show your work in the logic on that. Show us how if they each put up 4 TDs that we'll have more than 16 passing TDs that we had last season, and then show us how it would necessarily mean more points. Then show us the logic in how that will necessarily win us more games.
There are a whole lot of things that you are leaving out in your one-dimensional analysis here.
If you ask me, if we even want to hit 16 TDs and score more, then they're both going to have to do more than put up 4 TDs apiece.
Go back & read my first post of this thread. I said I expected Watkins & Williams to exceed that number (3) by a LOT. One is NOT a lot.
I would not be surprised if one or maybe both of them get 3 TD's in a single game.
I am thinking between 6-10 TD's by both Watkins & Williams.
The Bills scored 339 points last year, 21.2 points per game, ranked #22 of the 32 teams.
With the addition of Watkins & Williams & if EJ stays healthy & improves as he needs to, I expect the Bills to put up more points than they did last year & to be ranked higher in points scored.
The Bills lost 4 games by 7 points or less last year. If the Bills score more points, 6-10 turns into 10-6.
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