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    honey pie
    • Jul 2002
    • 32593
    #16
    Re: Forget Watkins

    It looks to me like Watkins has amazing hands and can run after the catch...it really plays into his strengths the more he's not the go to guy. If Woods racks up catches and Williams is also consistent wow that really makes CJ and Watkins threats on the field to get the ball and run with it....
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    • gebobs
      One Bills Drive, Georgia - 871 miles south of Orchard Park
      • Sep 2003
      • 11520
      #17
      Re: Forget Watkins

      I hope this is just a "no sense aggravating it in preseason thing", but wow what a freak thing, eh? He comes off the line and Allen grabs his facemask. Manuel throws the ball at his feet and Allen grabs him around the waist. Watkins sees Shazier coming to hit him and turns his back. Shazier pulls up and sort of rolls over his back. It looks like he got a bit of Shazier's knee into his lower right back (right at 0:27), but it sure didn't seem like anything that would cause much injury.

      I've only seen replays so have no idea what the official line on it is.

      Last edited by gebobs; 08-21-2014, 08:47 AM.
      Lehner's history. He just doesn't know it yet.

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      • Cali512
        Registered User
        • Jan 2012
        • 6393
        #18
        Re: Forget Watkins

        He gets kicked in his ribs when shazier jumps
        Not here to be right, just here to have interesting discussions about my impulsive opinions

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        • better days
          Registered User
          • Jan 2010
          • 22028
          #19
          Re: Forget Watkins

          Jim Kelly about Andre Reed: " He meant so much to my career. He made me look good. He was so great at YAC, he took a 5 yard pass & turned it into a 50 yd TD."

          Watkins could well be the next Andre Reed for the Bills.

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          • justasportsfan
            Registered User
            • Jul 2002
            • 71596
            #20
            Re: Forget Watkins

            Originally posted by better days View Post

            Watkins could well be the next Andre Reed for the Bills.

            My guess is that that the coaches were hoping Watkins could turn a 5 yard checkdown from Ej into a huge gain. I hope EJ isn't going to revert back to being Capt. Checkdown because Watkins could do more damage downfield where teams would have to worry about him , Woods, M Williams and Goodwin.
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            • Fletch
              Registered User
              • May 2007
              • 3166
              #21
              Re: Forget Watkins

              Originally posted by justasportsfan View Post
              Robert Woods may be our no.1 wr this year.
              If things keep up with the way EJ is playing, Chandler might still have the most number of catches.
              It's not like Watkins has shone in preseason. He hasn't.
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              Post #46

              Originally posted by Yasgur's Farm
              (Moderator) My name's Max Yasgur, and I approve of this post.
              Originally Posted by pmoon6
              The idea that you "won't settle" presumes that you have some kind of control. Delusional thinking at best for a supposed fan of a spectators' sport. Your way to deal with it is to constantly ***** and denigrate any move, any result concerning the team even if it's positive because you don't want your whittle feewings hurt again. It's a protection mechanism.

              You shroud your childish approach in a vale of pompous, intellectual garbage in an attempt to look smart and "real". You over-analyze even minute points and manipulate statistics to fit your negative view of the team. Again, to feel good about yourself and to protect from getting hurt.

              Of course, the criticisms are obviously from someone who has no understanding of the team concept or what it takes to excel at athletics.

              The true "realist" understands that they have no control of what happens on the field or behind the closed doors at One Bills' Drive, so they do the prudent thing for a spectator. They enjoy the games on Sunday with family and friends, cheer for their team and realize that it's just entertainment.
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              "I was an integral part in the drafting process of EJ Manuel," Whaley said Thursday on NFL Network's Total Access. "I was the person that handled the draft process and setting up the board."

              "We are committed. I want you to believe me when I say that," Whaley said of building around the second-year quarterback, per The Buffalo News. "I always tell you guys that I'll never say never because I don't want to paint myself in a corner, but when I do say something, I do it and I mean it and I try to fulfill it."

              "We believe the addition of Sammy is going to be instant impact, not only to our quarterback, but to what our offensive coordinator can come up with game-plan wise and how defenses attack us," Whaley said.

              Whaley on EJ Manuel: "We think we got a gem in this guy." (2:30)

              "And as Mark says, if in three years maybe he's not [our quarterback of the future], then I'll be sitting there saying 'hey guys', .... anybody got a job for me?" - Doug Whaley

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              • Fletch
                Registered User
                • May 2007
                • 3166
                #22
                Re: Forget Watkins

                Originally posted by RedEyE View Post
                Training wheels? Are we talking about the OC or the QB?

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                The OC has a tricycle.
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                Post #46

                Originally posted by Yasgur's Farm
                (Moderator) My name's Max Yasgur, and I approve of this post.
                Originally Posted by pmoon6
                The idea that you "won't settle" presumes that you have some kind of control. Delusional thinking at best for a supposed fan of a spectators' sport. Your way to deal with it is to constantly ***** and denigrate any move, any result concerning the team even if it's positive because you don't want your whittle feewings hurt again. It's a protection mechanism.

                You shroud your childish approach in a vale of pompous, intellectual garbage in an attempt to look smart and "real". You over-analyze even minute points and manipulate statistics to fit your negative view of the team. Again, to feel good about yourself and to protect from getting hurt.

                Of course, the criticisms are obviously from someone who has no understanding of the team concept or what it takes to excel at athletics.

                The true "realist" understands that they have no control of what happens on the field or behind the closed doors at One Bills' Drive, so they do the prudent thing for a spectator. They enjoy the games on Sunday with family and friends, cheer for their team and realize that it's just entertainment.
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                "I was an integral part in the drafting process of EJ Manuel," Whaley said Thursday on NFL Network's Total Access. "I was the person that handled the draft process and setting up the board."

                "We are committed. I want you to believe me when I say that," Whaley said of building around the second-year quarterback, per The Buffalo News. "I always tell you guys that I'll never say never because I don't want to paint myself in a corner, but when I do say something, I do it and I mean it and I try to fulfill it."

                "We believe the addition of Sammy is going to be instant impact, not only to our quarterback, but to what our offensive coordinator can come up with game-plan wise and how defenses attack us," Whaley said.

                Whaley on EJ Manuel: "We think we got a gem in this guy." (2:30)

                "And as Mark says, if in three years maybe he's not [our quarterback of the future], then I'll be sitting there saying 'hey guys', .... anybody got a job for me?" - Doug Whaley

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                • Fletch
                  Registered User
                  • May 2007
                  • 3166
                  #23
                  Re: Forget Watkins

                  Originally posted by elltrain22 View Post
                  Although Robert Woods does indeed look very, very impressive, Watkins is going to be our best receiver this year. I don't remember which poster said it, but we should have a 3-WR base offense. Watkins & Williamss on the outside, and Woods in the slot. With those 3 guys, plus Freddie and/or CJ on the field, that is a tough to match up against.
                  How do you know this?

                  I mean he should be given what we invested, but if it doesn't work out that way it will hardly be the first time in NFL history where a player didn't step up as he should have by draft status.

                  Watkins hasn't shone anything in preseason, only in camp, and big deal there. He's struggled to get open by multiple reports. Even on this play where he hurts himself, it's not like there was a ton of separation from him and the DB.

                  If you ask me, he's going to be a little stunned at how much faster defenses in the NFL are than they were in the ACC. We cant talk about camp all we want and the one-handed grabs and that kinda stuff, but he has to perform against other teams' #1's and he hasn't done much yet in that regard. That's a fact. Whether he's playing possum or not remains to be seen, but given this wealth of speed, agility, and other physical assets that he supposedly has, I'm quite curious why he hasn't been able to do something, even in a vanilla fashion, in preseason games.

                  There's way too much being placed on his shoulders this season. Part of me feels sorry for the kid.
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                  Post #46

                  Originally posted by Yasgur's Farm
                  (Moderator) My name's Max Yasgur, and I approve of this post.
                  Originally Posted by pmoon6
                  The idea that you "won't settle" presumes that you have some kind of control. Delusional thinking at best for a supposed fan of a spectators' sport. Your way to deal with it is to constantly ***** and denigrate any move, any result concerning the team even if it's positive because you don't want your whittle feewings hurt again. It's a protection mechanism.

                  You shroud your childish approach in a vale of pompous, intellectual garbage in an attempt to look smart and "real". You over-analyze even minute points and manipulate statistics to fit your negative view of the team. Again, to feel good about yourself and to protect from getting hurt.

                  Of course, the criticisms are obviously from someone who has no understanding of the team concept or what it takes to excel at athletics.

                  The true "realist" understands that they have no control of what happens on the field or behind the closed doors at One Bills' Drive, so they do the prudent thing for a spectator. They enjoy the games on Sunday with family and friends, cheer for their team and realize that it's just entertainment.
                  ------

                  "I was an integral part in the drafting process of EJ Manuel," Whaley said Thursday on NFL Network's Total Access. "I was the person that handled the draft process and setting up the board."

                  "We are committed. I want you to believe me when I say that," Whaley said of building around the second-year quarterback, per The Buffalo News. "I always tell you guys that I'll never say never because I don't want to paint myself in a corner, but when I do say something, I do it and I mean it and I try to fulfill it."

                  "We believe the addition of Sammy is going to be instant impact, not only to our quarterback, but to what our offensive coordinator can come up with game-plan wise and how defenses attack us," Whaley said.

                  Whaley on EJ Manuel: "We think we got a gem in this guy." (2:30)

                  "And as Mark says, if in three years maybe he's not [our quarterback of the future], then I'll be sitting there saying 'hey guys', .... anybody got a job for me?" - Doug Whaley

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                  • stuckincincy
                    Buffalo Bills Fan
                    • Sep 2003
                    • 15084
                    #24
                    Re: Forget Watkins

                    Originally posted by justasportsfan View Post
                    Robert Woods may be our no.1 wr this year.
                    If things keep up with the way EJ is playing, Chandler might still have the most number of catches.
                    He may well be. Great hands, had a good rookie outing. And a good pre-season so far. I was surprised to read that his ave. gain was 14.7 yds last season. That was with Stevie Johnson in the line-up. They have to make up the loss. I can't say if it's Watkins, yet. I don't think they can, either - bummer that he got the early ding last game.

                    They have been tossing the ball a fair amount towards Chandler- by design, I feel. And why not? He caught 53 last season, and BUF certainly spread the passes around.

                    They dished off Johnson - and while he had no end of detractors here, he was a decent WR who drew coverage.

                    It seems to me, that that OC Hackett's philosophy is to spread out the tosses - perhaps an admission that that is the best thing to do with the QB situation. It isn't such a bad philosophy - BUF did move the ball well enough, and while the red zone failures are noted., one hopes they will work on their play calls there. But they are far from alone - no end of teams that come up short and kick.

                    I do think that as it is, they would be served by trying to find another TE to fill in when the cuts happen, worries about Chandler gets banged up again. Being 6'7" is an asset, but it's also a lot of body to get dinged.
                    Last edited by stuckincincy; 08-21-2014, 01:31 PM.
                    Fiat justitia ruat caelum. Noli timere. Laus Deo.

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                    • Fletch
                      Registered User
                      • May 2007
                      • 3166
                      #25
                      Re: Forget Watkins

                      That's been my thought since Stevie was traded, that Woods would pick up the slack as the top target.

                      He's got the most chemistry with Manuel who's going to need to take advantage of every single edge he can get. Also, Woods is a slot guy, which is a far more likely target for a distance challenged QB.

                      Still, having said that I don't expect Woods to have more than 60 catches or so for 800-900 yards if he does end up being the leading WR.
                      http://www.billszone.com/fanzone/sho...s-haters/page3

                      Post #46

                      Originally posted by Yasgur's Farm
                      (Moderator) My name's Max Yasgur, and I approve of this post.
                      Originally Posted by pmoon6
                      The idea that you "won't settle" presumes that you have some kind of control. Delusional thinking at best for a supposed fan of a spectators' sport. Your way to deal with it is to constantly ***** and denigrate any move, any result concerning the team even if it's positive because you don't want your whittle feewings hurt again. It's a protection mechanism.

                      You shroud your childish approach in a vale of pompous, intellectual garbage in an attempt to look smart and "real". You over-analyze even minute points and manipulate statistics to fit your negative view of the team. Again, to feel good about yourself and to protect from getting hurt.

                      Of course, the criticisms are obviously from someone who has no understanding of the team concept or what it takes to excel at athletics.

                      The true "realist" understands that they have no control of what happens on the field or behind the closed doors at One Bills' Drive, so they do the prudent thing for a spectator. They enjoy the games on Sunday with family and friends, cheer for their team and realize that it's just entertainment.
                      ------

                      "I was an integral part in the drafting process of EJ Manuel," Whaley said Thursday on NFL Network's Total Access. "I was the person that handled the draft process and setting up the board."

                      "We are committed. I want you to believe me when I say that," Whaley said of building around the second-year quarterback, per The Buffalo News. "I always tell you guys that I'll never say never because I don't want to paint myself in a corner, but when I do say something, I do it and I mean it and I try to fulfill it."

                      "We believe the addition of Sammy is going to be instant impact, not only to our quarterback, but to what our offensive coordinator can come up with game-plan wise and how defenses attack us," Whaley said.

                      Whaley on EJ Manuel: "We think we got a gem in this guy." (2:30)

                      "And as Mark says, if in three years maybe he's not [our quarterback of the future], then I'll be sitting there saying 'hey guys', .... anybody got a job for me?" - Doug Whaley

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                      • TacklingDummy
                        Unreachable Douche
                        • Jul 2002
                        • 71725
                        #26
                        Re: Forget Watkins

                        Wasn't worth 2 1st round picks.

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                        • better days
                          Registered User
                          • Jan 2010
                          • 22028
                          #27
                          Re: Forget Watkins

                          Originally posted by TacklingDummy View Post
                          Wasn't worth 2 1st round picks.
                          And a fourth. Probably not. He will have to have an Andre Reed type career for that to be a good trade.
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                          • stuckincincy
                            Buffalo Bills Fan
                            • Sep 2003
                            • 15084
                            #28
                            Re: Forget Watkins

                            Originally posted by Fletch View Post
                            That's been my thought since Stevie was traded, that Woods would pick up the slack as the top target.

                            He's got the most chemistry with Manuel who's going to need to take advantage of every single edge he can get. Also, Woods is a slot guy, which is a far more likely target for a distance challenged QB.

                            Still, having said that I don't expect Woods to have more than 60 catches or so for 800-900 yards if he does end up being the leading WR.
                            I think he might. If his rookie season and this pre-season is indicative, I could see 80+. Add in the emphasis of tossing flags for putting a pinkie on a receiver....we will have to wait and see how that plays out in the regular season, of course. He seems a very good pick by BUF. Maybe Watkins, too - if you can get away from the high price they paid. I can't. They are committed to Manuel, so they are best served by sure hands in a somewhat plodding pass offense.

                            That sure-handness fades in the red zone as the best asset, though. There you look for leaping and height and separation, since players are concentrated in a relatively small space. I'm also surprised that close-in they don't roll out Manual much. He's speedy and big and agile enough to punch it in. Even if you try and fail a few times, you have the upcoming opposition looking at the game films and pondering.

                            That's something to do in the pre-season, BTW. Run those end arounds, reverses, the fancy stuff. One, you give your players the experience to do so, two, successful or not, you jazz up the youngsters that are most of any team's roster, and three, if you do it, the opposition has been given something to think about come the regular season.

                            I totally reject the idea of running "plain vanilla" pre-season plays. Cripes - what hasn't been seen before?

                            I'm also not pleased about how this DC is calling formation. If you want to evaluate how the back seven that can play man coverage, do it several times in a row. See how your players do when they are stuck in the wrong scheme - see which players try or can get the job done in a crappy situation.
                            Fiat justitia ruat caelum. Noli timere. Laus Deo.

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                            • gebobs
                              One Bills Drive, Georgia - 871 miles south of Orchard Park
                              • Sep 2003
                              • 11520
                              #29
                              Re: Forget Watkins

                              Originally posted by TacklingDummy View Post
                              Wasn't worth 2 1st round picks.
                              What if those picks were Aaron Maybin and John McCargo? :-)
                              Lehner's history. He just doesn't know it yet.
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                              • better days
                                Registered User
                                • Jan 2010
                                • 22028
                                #30
                                Re: Forget Watkins

                                Originally posted by gebobs View Post
                                What if those picks were Aaron Maybin and John McCargo? :-)
                                Better yet, Aaron Maybin & Mike Williams.

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