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Re: The realist point of view.........Bills really could be Good or Bad this year.
Where's the cut Fred Jackson thread?
Where's the cut Fred Jackson thread?
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Re: The realist point of view.........Bills really could be Good or Bad this year.
As talented as this team is, they know they're going to lose 9-11 games with EJ running the offense. Where's the motivation?
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Re: The realist point of view.........Bills really could be Good or Bad this year.
LOLOriginally posted by Yasgur's Farm View Post
It's a real shame that my primary purpose for posting here isn't to win some popularity contest, isn't it.http://www.billszone.com/fanzone/sho...s-haters/page3
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------Originally posted by Yasgur's Farm(Moderator) My name's Max Yasgur, and I approve of this post.
Originally Posted by pmoon6 
The idea that you "won't settle" presumes that you have some kind of control. Delusional thinking at best for a supposed fan of a spectators' sport. Your way to deal with it is to constantly ***** and denigrate any move, any result concerning the team even if it's positive because you don't want your whittle feewings hurt again. It's a protection mechanism.
You shroud your childish approach in a vale of pompous, intellectual garbage in an attempt to look smart and "real". You over-analyze even minute points and manipulate statistics to fit your negative view of the team. Again, to feel good about yourself and to protect from getting hurt.
Of course, the criticisms are obviously from someone who has no understanding of the team concept or what it takes to excel at athletics.
The true "realist" understands that they have no control of what happens on the field or behind the closed doors at One Bills' Drive, so they do the prudent thing for a spectator. They enjoy the games on Sunday with family and friends, cheer for their team and realize that it's just entertainment.
"I was an integral part in the drafting process of EJ Manuel," Whaley said Thursday on NFL Network's Total Access. "I was the person that handled the draft process and setting up the board."
"We are committed. I want you to believe me when I say that," Whaley said of building around the second-year quarterback, per The Buffalo News. "I always tell you guys that I'll never say never because I don't want to paint myself in a corner, but when I do say something, I do it and I mean it and I try to fulfill it."
"We believe the addition of Sammy is going to be instant impact, not only to our quarterback, but to what our offensive coordinator can come up with game-plan wise and how defenses attack us," Whaley said.
Whaley on EJ Manuel: "We think we got a gem in this guy." (2:30)
"And as Mark says, if in three years maybe he's not [our quarterback of the future], then I'll be sitting there saying 'hey guys', .... anybody got a job for me?" - Doug Whaley
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Re: The realist point of view.........Bills really could be Good or Bad this year.
I think you're stretching things quite a bit about the WRs. I think you'll change your tune during the season somewhat. For starters Woods is only in his second season and still has a ton to prove. Watkins hasn't proven a thing, has been knocked for getting bottled up by 1st-team CBs, and has three catches for 21 yards on 7 targets in the preseason. He could be the next Eric Moulds, Jerry Rice, or Justin Blackmon, you don't know. Mike Wiliiams is Mike Williams, not Troy Vincent. After that there's no one worth mentioning that's even average.Originally posted by gebobs View Post
I would rank the strength of the units as such:
DL - A-
OL - B
RBs - B- (Only because Jackson's 33 and the oldest RB in the league, C- w/o Jackson)
WRs - C+ (Until Watkins, Woods, and Williams step up quite a bit)
LBs - C-
DBs - C-
TEs - C-
QB - Dhttp://www.billszone.com/fanzone/sho...s-haters/page3
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------Originally posted by Yasgur's Farm(Moderator) My name's Max Yasgur, and I approve of this post. Originally Posted by pmoon6
The idea that you "won't settle" presumes that you have some kind of control. Delusional thinking at best for a supposed fan of a spectators' sport. Your way to deal with it is to constantly ***** and denigrate any move, any result concerning the team even if it's positive because you don't want your whittle feewings hurt again. It's a protection mechanism.
You shroud your childish approach in a vale of pompous, intellectual garbage in an attempt to look smart and "real". You over-analyze even minute points and manipulate statistics to fit your negative view of the team. Again, to feel good about yourself and to protect from getting hurt.
Of course, the criticisms are obviously from someone who has no understanding of the team concept or what it takes to excel at athletics.
The true "realist" understands that they have no control of what happens on the field or behind the closed doors at One Bills' Drive, so they do the prudent thing for a spectator. They enjoy the games on Sunday with family and friends, cheer for their team and realize that it's just entertainment.
"I was an integral part in the drafting process of EJ Manuel," Whaley said Thursday on NFL Network's Total Access. "I was the person that handled the draft process and setting up the board."
"We are committed. I want you to believe me when I say that," Whaley said of building around the second-year quarterback, per The Buffalo News. "I always tell you guys that I'll never say never because I don't want to paint myself in a corner, but when I do say something, I do it and I mean it and I try to fulfill it."
"We believe the addition of Sammy is going to be instant impact, not only to our quarterback, but to what our offensive coordinator can come up with game-plan wise and how defenses attack us," Whaley said.
Whaley on EJ Manuel: "We think we got a gem in this guy." (2:30)
"And as Mark says, if in three years maybe he's not [our quarterback of the future], then I'll be sitting there saying 'hey guys', .... anybody got a job for me?" - Doug Whaley
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Re: The realist point of view.........Bills really could be Good or Bad this year.
i just dont think its that bad. ppl are WAAY overreacting to whats gone on in preseason. personally i believe i see improvement in his game - hes finding quys quicker, progressing through reads more smoothly, and has been good on timing routes where he throws the ball before the receiver has turnedOriginally posted by Typ0 View Post
i feel ej has had more bad luck than anything this preseason. one game he moved the ball well but had a bunch of passes batted down, which was weird but really just an anomaly. the last game he had a fumble and a bad luck gift pick when chandler fell
a normal incremental improvement for a second year qb from ej should be good enough to keep this team competitive. with all the good receiving targets and an improved oline (once they gel) ej only needs to be decent to give them a shot to win, which i think he will be
its possible he might never be better than he was last season but i seriously doubt that. hes going to be better, we just dont know how much and where he will end up. but im pretty certain its not going to be nearly as bad as most vocal fans are projecting right nowOne set of rules for all in the beloved communityComment
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Re: The realist point of view.........Bills really could be Good or Bad this year.
That's so sweet... I love you too Man!Originally posted by Swiper View Post
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Re: The realist point of view.........Bills really could be Good or Bad this year.
I nominate this thread for most ******ed thread of the year.http://www.billszone.com/fanzone/sho...s-haters/page3
Post #46
------Originally posted by Yasgur's Farm(Moderator) My name's Max Yasgur, and I approve of this post. Originally Posted by pmoon6
The idea that you "won't settle" presumes that you have some kind of control. Delusional thinking at best for a supposed fan of a spectators' sport. Your way to deal with it is to constantly ***** and denigrate any move, any result concerning the team even if it's positive because you don't want your whittle feewings hurt again. It's a protection mechanism.
You shroud your childish approach in a vale of pompous, intellectual garbage in an attempt to look smart and "real". You over-analyze even minute points and manipulate statistics to fit your negative view of the team. Again, to feel good about yourself and to protect from getting hurt.
Of course, the criticisms are obviously from someone who has no understanding of the team concept or what it takes to excel at athletics.
The true "realist" understands that they have no control of what happens on the field or behind the closed doors at One Bills' Drive, so they do the prudent thing for a spectator. They enjoy the games on Sunday with family and friends, cheer for their team and realize that it's just entertainment.
"I was an integral part in the drafting process of EJ Manuel," Whaley said Thursday on NFL Network's Total Access. "I was the person that handled the draft process and setting up the board."
"We are committed. I want you to believe me when I say that," Whaley said of building around the second-year quarterback, per The Buffalo News. "I always tell you guys that I'll never say never because I don't want to paint myself in a corner, but when I do say something, I do it and I mean it and I try to fulfill it."
"We believe the addition of Sammy is going to be instant impact, not only to our quarterback, but to what our offensive coordinator can come up with game-plan wise and how defenses attack us," Whaley said.
Whaley on EJ Manuel: "We think we got a gem in this guy." (2:30)
"And as Mark says, if in three years maybe he's not [our quarterback of the future], then I'll be sitting there saying 'hey guys', .... anybody got a job for me?" - Doug Whaley
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Re: The realist point of view.........Bills really could be Good or Bad this year.
I said "just above average". You said C+. I think we're in agreement. I said "maybe top 10 if you're a homer". I am not a homer.Originally posted by Fletch View PostLehner's history. He just doesn't know it yet.Comment
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Re: The realist point of view.........Bills really could be Good or Bad this year.
This isn't class.Originally posted by gebobs View Post
C+ is hardly average for a set of WRs in the NFL. I'd say that B is more average in that context. I realize that depends upon how one measures "average."
If you want to know where I think our WRs stack up against the other 31 teams, I'd say easily among the bottom 25% of the league.
I wouldn't rank any set of WRs as F or worse than D+ right now. C+ to me is inadequate. Again, pending how Williams and Woods play and pending Watkins' early development.
Far too many people are expecting way too much from Watkins, who should shine regardless of Manuel since everyone expects him to take a simple 2-yard dropoff and turn it into 10-15 yards on a regular basis. Ain't happenin' in the NFL if you ask me.http://www.billszone.com/fanzone/sho...s-haters/page3
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------Originally posted by Yasgur's Farm(Moderator) My name's Max Yasgur, and I approve of this post. Originally Posted by pmoon6
The idea that you "won't settle" presumes that you have some kind of control. Delusional thinking at best for a supposed fan of a spectators' sport. Your way to deal with it is to constantly ***** and denigrate any move, any result concerning the team even if it's positive because you don't want your whittle feewings hurt again. It's a protection mechanism.
You shroud your childish approach in a vale of pompous, intellectual garbage in an attempt to look smart and "real". You over-analyze even minute points and manipulate statistics to fit your negative view of the team. Again, to feel good about yourself and to protect from getting hurt.
Of course, the criticisms are obviously from someone who has no understanding of the team concept or what it takes to excel at athletics.
The true "realist" understands that they have no control of what happens on the field or behind the closed doors at One Bills' Drive, so they do the prudent thing for a spectator. They enjoy the games on Sunday with family and friends, cheer for their team and realize that it's just entertainment.
"I was an integral part in the drafting process of EJ Manuel," Whaley said Thursday on NFL Network's Total Access. "I was the person that handled the draft process and setting up the board."
"We are committed. I want you to believe me when I say that," Whaley said of building around the second-year quarterback, per The Buffalo News. "I always tell you guys that I'll never say never because I don't want to paint myself in a corner, but when I do say something, I do it and I mean it and I try to fulfill it."
"We believe the addition of Sammy is going to be instant impact, not only to our quarterback, but to what our offensive coordinator can come up with game-plan wise and how defenses attack us," Whaley said.
Whaley on EJ Manuel: "We think we got a gem in this guy." (2:30)
"And as Mark says, if in three years maybe he's not [our quarterback of the future], then I'll be sitting there saying 'hey guys', .... anybody got a job for me?" - Doug Whaley
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Re: The realist point of view.........Bills really could be Good or Bad this year.
By the way, you said grade them in the top-10 if you're a homer. I see absolutely no scenario where we have even a top-15 set of WRs. They're all too young and far too inexperienced to rank that high apart from Williams, again, his performance pending.
Even if Manuel unexpectedly were to improve significantly, I still don't see any of our WRs eclipsing the 1,000 yard mark by much if at all.http://www.billszone.com/fanzone/sho...s-haters/page3
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------Originally posted by Yasgur's Farm(Moderator) My name's Max Yasgur, and I approve of this post. Originally Posted by pmoon6
The idea that you "won't settle" presumes that you have some kind of control. Delusional thinking at best for a supposed fan of a spectators' sport. Your way to deal with it is to constantly ***** and denigrate any move, any result concerning the team even if it's positive because you don't want your whittle feewings hurt again. It's a protection mechanism.
You shroud your childish approach in a vale of pompous, intellectual garbage in an attempt to look smart and "real". You over-analyze even minute points and manipulate statistics to fit your negative view of the team. Again, to feel good about yourself and to protect from getting hurt.
Of course, the criticisms are obviously from someone who has no understanding of the team concept or what it takes to excel at athletics.
The true "realist" understands that they have no control of what happens on the field or behind the closed doors at One Bills' Drive, so they do the prudent thing for a spectator. They enjoy the games on Sunday with family and friends, cheer for their team and realize that it's just entertainment.
"I was an integral part in the drafting process of EJ Manuel," Whaley said Thursday on NFL Network's Total Access. "I was the person that handled the draft process and setting up the board."
"We are committed. I want you to believe me when I say that," Whaley said of building around the second-year quarterback, per The Buffalo News. "I always tell you guys that I'll never say never because I don't want to paint myself in a corner, but when I do say something, I do it and I mean it and I try to fulfill it."
"We believe the addition of Sammy is going to be instant impact, not only to our quarterback, but to what our offensive coordinator can come up with game-plan wise and how defenses attack us," Whaley said.
Whaley on EJ Manuel: "We think we got a gem in this guy." (2:30)
"And as Mark says, if in three years maybe he's not [our quarterback of the future], then I'll be sitting there saying 'hey guys', .... anybody got a job for me?" - Doug Whaley
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Re: The realist point of view.........Bills really could be Good or Bad this year.
I was not aware that grading changed for wide receivers as compared to everything else in the world where C is average and C+ is just above average. Thanks for splitting that non-existent hair.Originally posted by Fletch View Post
So we don't quite agree on that, but at least we agree that they, and the Bills overall, are "have significant talent" anywhere but the DL.If you want to know where I think our WRs stack up against the other 31 teams, I'd say easily among the bottom 25% of the league.Lehner's history. He just doesn't know it yet.Comment
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Re: The realist point of view.........Bills really could be Good or Bad this year.
Are you unfamiliar with the homer mindset? Homers thought Trent Edwards (even pre-concussed) was going to live up to Bill Walsh's expectations and be the next Joe Montana. Homers thought Ryan Fitzpatrick's wonderlic was going to carry us to the playoffs. Homers thought Brad Smith was a steal. Homers cheered Gailey/Jauron/Mularkey/Williams hirings.Originally posted by Fletch View Post
I guarantee you that there are people here that are enamored so with the WR corps to call them top 10. They did last year too.Lehner's history. He just doesn't know it yet.Comment
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Re: The realist point of view.........Bills really could be Good or Bad this year.
Actually, quite the opposite. If you ask me, the single best unit is the DL. Mario's still not delivering to his contract, but Kyle's a beast, Dareus at least has his days even if they're separated by a couple of games, and Hughes, at least in the role that they had for him last year played his role well enough.Originally posted by gebobs View Post
I'm very familiar with the homer mindset. It plays out every season as everyone bites on every word that the team says. Even this year, just a month or two ago, we were going to the playoffs according to a lot more people than are now claiming the same. Usually it takes a good cold slap of reality of being 3-5 or 2-6 before that sets in. It came early this season.Originally posted by gebobs View Post
I see what you're saying though, I thought that you meant that such a position on the WRs wasn't far from reality.
I'll put my position another way since obviously we have two different grading systems. I'd say that our WR corps ranks approximately in the 23rd/24th range if Watkins does anything even remotely close to what is expected of him and if Woods develops at least somewhat.http://www.billszone.com/fanzone/sho...s-haters/page3
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------Originally posted by Yasgur's Farm(Moderator) My name's Max Yasgur, and I approve of this post. Originally Posted by pmoon6
The idea that you "won't settle" presumes that you have some kind of control. Delusional thinking at best for a supposed fan of a spectators' sport. Your way to deal with it is to constantly ***** and denigrate any move, any result concerning the team even if it's positive because you don't want your whittle feewings hurt again. It's a protection mechanism.
You shroud your childish approach in a vale of pompous, intellectual garbage in an attempt to look smart and "real". You over-analyze even minute points and manipulate statistics to fit your negative view of the team. Again, to feel good about yourself and to protect from getting hurt.
Of course, the criticisms are obviously from someone who has no understanding of the team concept or what it takes to excel at athletics.
The true "realist" understands that they have no control of what happens on the field or behind the closed doors at One Bills' Drive, so they do the prudent thing for a spectator. They enjoy the games on Sunday with family and friends, cheer for their team and realize that it's just entertainment.
"I was an integral part in the drafting process of EJ Manuel," Whaley said Thursday on NFL Network's Total Access. "I was the person that handled the draft process and setting up the board."
"We are committed. I want you to believe me when I say that," Whaley said of building around the second-year quarterback, per The Buffalo News. "I always tell you guys that I'll never say never because I don't want to paint myself in a corner, but when I do say something, I do it and I mean it and I try to fulfill it."
"We believe the addition of Sammy is going to be instant impact, not only to our quarterback, but to what our offensive coordinator can come up with game-plan wise and how defenses attack us," Whaley said.
Whaley on EJ Manuel: "We think we got a gem in this guy." (2:30)
"And as Mark says, if in three years maybe he's not [our quarterback of the future], then I'll be sitting there saying 'hey guys', .... anybody got a job for me?" - Doug Whaley
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Re: The realist point of view.........Bills really could be Good or Bad this year.
Bah! Don't think a realist and a fan as in fanatic can co-exist in me.
Go Bills! 16-0.
Check that. EJ does blow. 15-1.The Bills Make Me Wanna Below
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God, these threads are just falling off the cliff lately...Anonymity is an abused privilege, abused most by people who mistake vitriol for wisdom and cynicism for witComment
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