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Merk Has been Channeling My Thoughts Re: the Orton Signing.
EJ is toast unless he pulls a Drew Brees type turnaround, which isn't happening because he never displayed that kind of QB talent at the college level. EJ had a loaded FSU roster, and did nothing with it. He's done, now the question is, how soon does new ownership clean house?
Still can't believe Marrone/Whaley put all their chips on EJ, I mean it's unreal how inconsistent he was at FSU, he wasn't good. And yet they went all in with him as first time GM and Head Coach. You may only get one shot, and to bet on EJ as QB....insanity.
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Originally Posted by pmoon6
The idea that you "won't settle" presumes that you have some kind of control. Delusional thinking at best for a supposed fan of a spectators' sport. Your way to deal with it is to constantly ***** and denigrate any move, any result concerning the team even if it's positive because you don't want your whittle feewings hurt again. It's a protection mechanism.
You shroud your childish approach in a vale of pompous, intellectual garbage in an attempt to look smart and "real". You over-analyze even minute points and manipulate statistics to fit your negative view of the team. Again, to feel good about yourself and to protect from getting hurt.
Of course, the criticisms are obviously from someone who has no understanding of the team concept or what it takes to excel at athletics.
The true "realist" understands that they have no control of what happens on the field or behind the closed doors at One Bills' Drive, so they do the prudent thing for a spectator. They enjoy the games on Sunday with family and friends, cheer for their team and realize that it's just entertainment.
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"I was an integral part in the drafting process of EJ Manuel," Whaley said Thursday on NFL Network's Total Access. "I was the person that handled the draft process and setting up the board."
"We are committed. I want you to believe me when I say that," Whaley said of building around the second-year quarterback, per The Buffalo News. "I always tell you guys that I'll never say never because I don't want to paint myself in a corner, but when I do say something, I do it and I mean it and I try to fulfill it."
"We believe the addition of Sammy is going to be instant impact, not only to our quarterback, but to what our offensive coordinator can come up with game-plan wise and how defenses attack us," Whaley said.
Whaley on EJ Manuel: "We think we got a gem in this guy." (2:30)
"And as Mark says, if in three years maybe he's not [our quarterback of the future], then I'll be sitting there saying 'hey guys', .... anybody got a job for me?" - Doug Whaley
Totally agree with Merck. At this point it's just lip service to EJ because the kid has deficiencies that shouldn't exist at the NFL level.
Documented deficiencies even. Again, the team didn't do their homework before drafting Manuel and foolishly putting all their eggs into one basket like that.
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Originally Posted by pmoon6
The idea that you "won't settle" presumes that you have some kind of control. Delusional thinking at best for a supposed fan of a spectators' sport. Your way to deal with it is to constantly ***** and denigrate any move, any result concerning the team even if it's positive because you don't want your whittle feewings hurt again. It's a protection mechanism.
You shroud your childish approach in a vale of pompous, intellectual garbage in an attempt to look smart and "real". You over-analyze even minute points and manipulate statistics to fit your negative view of the team. Again, to feel good about yourself and to protect from getting hurt.
Of course, the criticisms are obviously from someone who has no understanding of the team concept or what it takes to excel at athletics.
The true "realist" understands that they have no control of what happens on the field or behind the closed doors at One Bills' Drive, so they do the prudent thing for a spectator. They enjoy the games on Sunday with family and friends, cheer for their team and realize that it's just entertainment.
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"I was an integral part in the drafting process of EJ Manuel," Whaley said Thursday on NFL Network's Total Access. "I was the person that handled the draft process and setting up the board."
"We are committed. I want you to believe me when I say that," Whaley said of building around the second-year quarterback, per The Buffalo News. "I always tell you guys that I'll never say never because I don't want to paint myself in a corner, but when I do say something, I do it and I mean it and I try to fulfill it."
"We believe the addition of Sammy is going to be instant impact, not only to our quarterback, but to what our offensive coordinator can come up with game-plan wise and how defenses attack us," Whaley said.
Whaley on EJ Manuel: "We think we got a gem in this guy." (2:30)
"And as Mark says, if in three years maybe he's not [our quarterback of the future], then I'll be sitting there saying 'hey guys', .... anybody got a job for me?" - Doug Whaley
If he continues to play like he did in preseason, expect the change no later than the bye week.
The problem is going to be when the offense first goes flat, and it will fairly soon, perhaps even as soon as the home opener against Miami, then the chants for Orton are going to becoming fast and furiously.
It's an uphill battle for Manuel right now, if he doesn't come out of the gates swinging then he's finished here in Buffalo. Neither the fans nor media are going to let it slide at this point.
He has shown no progress from last year to this year and it could actually be argued that he has regressed. He is having trouble executing a vanilla scheme and playbook compounded with an inability to read defenses topped off with erratic at best accuracy. These issues go beyond the preseason and are not all of a sudden going to be cured when the regular season begins and the speed and pressure in the games gets maxed out times 100.
That's obvious to anyone that's paying any attention and doesn't let their bias get in the way.
So at some point soon in the season, Marrone's either going to have to put Orton in or enjoy taking constant heat from media and fans. Hardly a good situation for a 2nd-year head coach to be in.
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Originally Posted by pmoon6
The idea that you "won't settle" presumes that you have some kind of control. Delusional thinking at best for a supposed fan of a spectators' sport. Your way to deal with it is to constantly ***** and denigrate any move, any result concerning the team even if it's positive because you don't want your whittle feewings hurt again. It's a protection mechanism.
You shroud your childish approach in a vale of pompous, intellectual garbage in an attempt to look smart and "real". You over-analyze even minute points and manipulate statistics to fit your negative view of the team. Again, to feel good about yourself and to protect from getting hurt.
Of course, the criticisms are obviously from someone who has no understanding of the team concept or what it takes to excel at athletics.
The true "realist" understands that they have no control of what happens on the field or behind the closed doors at One Bills' Drive, so they do the prudent thing for a spectator. They enjoy the games on Sunday with family and friends, cheer for their team and realize that it's just entertainment.
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"I was an integral part in the drafting process of EJ Manuel," Whaley said Thursday on NFL Network's Total Access. "I was the person that handled the draft process and setting up the board."
"We are committed. I want you to believe me when I say that," Whaley said of building around the second-year quarterback, per The Buffalo News. "I always tell you guys that I'll never say never because I don't want to paint myself in a corner, but when I do say something, I do it and I mean it and I try to fulfill it."
"We believe the addition of Sammy is going to be instant impact, not only to our quarterback, but to what our offensive coordinator can come up with game-plan wise and how defenses attack us," Whaley said.
Whaley on EJ Manuel: "We think we got a gem in this guy." (2:30)
"And as Mark says, if in three years maybe he's not [our quarterback of the future], then I'll be sitting there saying 'hey guys', .... anybody got a job for me?" - Doug Whaley
(Moderator) My name's Max Yasgur, and I approve of this post.
Originally Posted by pmoon6
The idea that you "won't settle" presumes that you have some kind of control. Delusional thinking at best for a supposed fan of a spectators' sport. Your way to deal with it is to constantly ***** and denigrate any move, any result concerning the team even if it's positive because you don't want your whittle feewings hurt again. It's a protection mechanism.
You shroud your childish approach in a vale of pompous, intellectual garbage in an attempt to look smart and "real". You over-analyze even minute points and manipulate statistics to fit your negative view of the team. Again, to feel good about yourself and to protect from getting hurt.
Of course, the criticisms are obviously from someone who has no understanding of the team concept or what it takes to excel at athletics.
The true "realist" understands that they have no control of what happens on the field or behind the closed doors at One Bills' Drive, so they do the prudent thing for a spectator. They enjoy the games on Sunday with family and friends, cheer for their team and realize that it's just entertainment.
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"I was an integral part in the drafting process of EJ Manuel," Whaley said Thursday on NFL Network's Total Access. "I was the person that handled the draft process and setting up the board."
"We are committed. I want you to believe me when I say that," Whaley said of building around the second-year quarterback, per The Buffalo News. "I always tell you guys that I'll never say never because I don't want to paint myself in a corner, but when I do say something, I do it and I mean it and I try to fulfill it."
"We believe the addition of Sammy is going to be instant impact, not only to our quarterback, but to what our offensive coordinator can come up with game-plan wise and how defenses attack us," Whaley said.
Whaley on EJ Manuel: "We think we got a gem in this guy." (2:30)
"And as Mark says, if in three years maybe he's not [our quarterback of the future], then I'll be sitting there saying 'hey guys', .... anybody got a job for me?" - Doug Whaley
Yeah, actually I do...I think the Oline is a bigger problem right now than QB.
At least the OL has 2 solid starters (once Glenn get back up to playing speed.) And three high touted rookies that should get better. It's not like, we drafted Kujo in the second, so were going to force him into being a franchise OT.
Yeah, actually I do...I think the Oline is a bigger problem right now than QB.
Well that right there is someone who really doesn't know much.
You know the personnel. Glenn has been out most of preseason. Williams is new to the team. Henderson is a rookie. Pears is adjusting to a new position. The key is to give them time playing together so they can gel. Marrone told you he had plenty of talent that he liked. He also is an o-line guru (one of the few coaching things he can actually claim). He told you he was going to take preseason to try people at different positions so he could end up with the best five athletes across the line. They have played together in parts of two preseason games. By week 5 they should be fine.
EJ Manuel has not shown ANY progress at all. That should be concerning. Thad Lewis, Dennis Dixon and Jeff Tuel ALL regressed. Something is wrong there. With the signing of Orton, I am much less concerned.
Sorry, I like some of Merk's stuff when I come across it, but if he thinks the oline or OC's haven't been a problem in the past and it's all about the QB he's way off base.
It's not the OCs or oline fault that EJ throws the ball over the receivers head, at their feet, or takes sacks when he has plenty of time to get rid of the ball.
It's not the OCs or oline fault that EJ throws the ball over the receivers head, at their feet, or takes sacks when he has plenty of time to get rid of the ball.
Don't forget when he runs out of bounds instead of throwing the ball away...I think Orton starts before the end of September.
Well that right there is someone who really doesn't know much.
You know the personnel. Glenn has been out most of preseason. Williams is new to the team. Henderson is a rookie. Pears is adjusting to a new position. The key is to give them time playing together so they can gel. Marrone told you he had plenty of talent that he liked. He also is an o-line guru (one of the few coaching things he can actually claim). He told you he was going to take preseason to try people at different positions so he could end up with the best five athletes across the line. They have played together in parts of two preseason games. By week 5 they should be fine.
EJ Manuel has not shown ANY progress at all. That should be concerning. Thad Lewis, Dennis Dixon and Jeff Tuel ALL regressed. Something is wrong there. With the signing of Orton, I am much less concerned.
Well, I won't lower myself to your level and take a reciprocating shot at your football intelligence, but you've just outlined the exact scenario why ANY QB would have struggled this preseason for Buffalo. An absent LT, injuries, youth, new players and zero continuity on the offensive line. Like it or not, success starts in the trenches, and there are very few QB's in this league, if any, that could overcome and be even mildly successful with the cluster**** we have put on the field, on the line, thus far this off-season. Ironic, that you're willing to give the oline time to gel, but unwilling to give the QB the same benefit of the doubt.
EVERY SINGLE QB on the Bills roster seemingly regressed this offseason, as you actually pointed out. Do you really think that's coincidental that they all allegedly went to hell at the same time, or could it be there is an all important factor that affected all of them to various yet similar degrees? Do you really think Kyle Orton under center is going to remedy that to any level other than barely negligible? If you do, I can't help you there.
Would a better offensive line make EJ more accurate or give him the ability to read defenses better. Not necessarily, but better protection may make him more comfortable in the pocket and more able to concentrate on where and when to throw the ball instead of being distracted by defensive heat.
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It's not the OCs or oline fault that EJ throws the ball over the receivers head, at their feet, or takes sacks when he has plenty of time to get rid of the ball.
EJ Manuel will never be Tom Brady, Peyton Manning, or Drew Brees. He doesn't have to be, if the defense plays up to expectations and they put any kind of offensive line in front of him. He's going to have bad throws. He's going to be fooled by defenses. He's going to have bad days...every QB does, even the great ones, and there isn't a poster on this board that has made the claim that EJ is going to be 'great'.
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If EJ plays all the way to the bye week, there's no point in taking him out at that point to be honest.
2-6 into the bye and the season is already over...anything better than that and I don't see why you would yank Manuel. Unless somehow the team starts 4-0 and then goes on a 4 game losing streak where they don't score an offensive TD.
If the move to yank Manuel comes it would have to be because this team is 0-4 and they still want to salvage the season.
Im guessing like everyone else. But I suspect that if EJ stinks against the Bears, we may see Orton in week 2.
I think a old bet like Orton can run the O pretty quickly. It will take longer to get timing with the receivers than to learn a game plan. Hopefully their terminology is something close to one of his previous stops.
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