Players and Staffers told Marrone EJ wasn't good enough

[Ginger Vitis]

For a couple of posters here it sure comes across as hatred. Not you btw

One poster should have his sig line removed in regards to EJ.. Over the top offensive

[BillsOverDolphins]

One poster should have his sig line removed in regards to EJ.. Over the top offensive

Fixed.

[Mr. Pink]

For a couple of posters here it sure comes across as hatred. Not you btw

I hate the fact that he somehow one upped JP Losman in terms of ineptitude.

That's no easy feat.

[Mike]

And Kollar also said it was likely players complained in the same manor about Eli Manning before he won TWO Super Bowls.

Better Days... your one for missing the bigger picture. There is a huge difference between those Giants teams and this Bills team, between Eli as a prospect and EJ as a prospect! Big Differences!

For one, the Giants were CONTENDERS with a number of aging HOF Vets who wanted to win a SB and felt that Collins gave them their biggest opportunity given that he had taken them to the Superbowl a few years before! So, its understandable why a few vets would prefer the guy who took them to the dance over the guy who was just drafted!

And as prospects, these two guys could not be more different! Eli was first pick in the draft and widely considered the best QB and player and the CONSENSUS #1 Overall Pick...IN ONE OF THE BEST QB DRAFTS EVER!!!

EJ on the other hand, was considered a Developmental Project who was projected to be 3-5th round pick in one of the WORST QB DRAFTS! And he is coming on a team that has not stiffed the playoffs in 15years, to vets who want any ray of light and hope.... and he brings NONE!
He is as far from Eli as you can get...

[Homegrown]

For one, the Giants were CONTENDERS with a number of aging HOF Vets who wanted to win a SB and felt that Collins gave them their biggest opportunity given that he had taken them to the Superbowl a few years before! .

Your storyline is a little off.
The 2003 Giants finished 4-12, including losing their last 8 games. Not so much a contenter…their QB (Collins) play was horrible.
In 2004 the Giants drafted Eli Manning.
Manning & Collins NEVER played on the same team …Collins was gone after the 2003 season. Kurt Warner was the other Giant QB in 2004.

[BertSquirtgum]

And Kollar also said it was likely players complained in the same manor about Eli Manning before he won TWO Super Bowls.

Can you please get your head out of EJs ass? I mean you stick up for the guy like he is your son or something. He might turn it around but he probably won't. Your constant rescuing of his reputation in threads is sickening.

[BertSquirtgum]

You're confusing frustration with hatred.

My wife and I met Bledsoe after a game in Baltimore and JP Losman before a game in Buffalo. Both were extremely nice and seemed like the kind of guy I'd want on my team. But they still didn't get the job done on the field.

No he isn't.... and if you don't think so then you're not reading the same posts as I am.

[ICRockets]

You're confusing frustration with hatred.

My wife and I met Bledsoe after a game in Baltimore and JP Losman before a game in Buffalo. Both were extremely nice and seemed like the kind of guy I'd want on my team. But they still didn't get the job done on the field.

I'm not, but thanks for trying. There are the guys like you who are frustrated with EJ's lack of visible progress and doubt his future success. That's fine. I'm in the same camp, but with a little bit more optimism than you are capable of. But then there are people who act like he's personally slighted them by merely existing in the vicinity of their favorite football team. Those are the guys who I don't understand, and I'd like them to make some sort of effort in helping me do so.

[BuffaloRedleg]

Think it's bad now, wait til next week when EJ looks just like he did in preseason.

I'm more worried about if he looks "okay"

[better days]

Better Days... your one for missing the bigger picture. There is a huge difference between those Giants teams and this Bills team, between Eli as a prospect and EJ as a prospect! Big Differences!

For one, the Giants were CONTENDERS with a number of aging HOF Vets who wanted to win a SB and felt that Collins gave them their biggest opportunity given that he had taken them to the Superbowl a few years before! So, its understandable why a few vets would prefer the guy who took them to the dance over the guy who was just drafted!

And as prospects, these two guys could not be more different! Eli was first pick in the draft and widely considered the best QB and player and the CONSENSUS #1 Overall Pick...IN ONE OF THE BEST QB DRAFTS EVER!!!

EJ on the other hand, was considered a Developmental Project who was projected to be 3-5th round pick in one of the WORST QB DRAFTS! And he is coming on a team that has not stiffed the playoffs in 15years, to vets who want any ray of light and hope.... and he brings NONE!
He is as far from Eli as you can get...

It was not me that said it, I just posted what Matt Kollar said.

Call him up & argue with him.

[better days]

Can you please get your head out of EJs ass? I mean you stick up for the guy like he is your son or something. He might turn it around but he probably won't. Your constant rescuing of his reputation in threads is sickening.

I never said EJ is going to be great.

All I am saying is that he should be given the year to sink or swim.

There are no better options than that, not even Orton.

[better days]

And IMO, what is sickening is all the HATE for a guy that has only played 10 games.

[Bill Cody]

Orton may be the best backup QB in the league but he is just that, a backup. It seems like signing Orton brought the EJ hate up several notches, not sure why. EJ is what he is. A raw QB who is going to have his ups and downs. I swear to God the usual suspects that post something negative in every single thread that even mentions EJ are sad sacks that need to step out of mommy's basement and get some fresh air.

[Forward_Lateral]

I hate the fact he's on my team

When did you buy the team?

[CoolBreeze]

And IMO, what is sickening is all the HATE for a guy that has only played 10 games.

We share the same opinion. He hasn't even played a full season yet, and last year he did fine for a rookie QB. He can win games, and it's questionable if he's progressed even close to where we want him. But I seriously doubt he's gotten worse. Unfortunately the constant badgering will continue until he shuts them up or gets benched. I'm not concerned with the "bench EJ he's terrible, and we're doomed" crowd. For they're not football experts, nor do they have a crystal ball. This is what 15 years of disappointment does to a select few. They're frustrated and want results now. For me, I'll wait until week 4 before I come to a conclusion about EJ.

I have to put my faith in EJ, our season is on his and only his shoulders. NOT ORTON'S whether we like it or not

[Mike]

Your storyline is a little off.
The 2003 Giants finished 4-12, including losing their last 8 games. Not so much a contenter…their QB (Collins) play was horrible.
In 2004 the Giants drafted Eli Manning.
Manning & Collins NEVER played on the same team …Collins was gone after the 2003 season. Kurt Warner was the other Giant QB in 2004.

In 2000 Collins took the Giants to the SB, with many of the same players that were on that 2003 team that imploded to 4-12.

Even the year before, 2002, the Giants were a playoff team and I think that was the year they lost that crazy game in the playoffs to the 49ers -second greatest playoff comeback!


Point is that the Giants and Bills are not comparable in their situations and prior performance and vet expectations.

[Fletch]

Can somebody explain to me all the EJ Hatred? I'm not talking about the people who doubt his ability to be our guy, I'm talking about the ones who are literally incapable of saying a nice, or even neutral, word about him. What is it about EJ Manuel that makes you people hate him as a human being? Do you even recognize that that's what is happening? Can we tone it down, maybe? He seems like a genuinely decent person and the type of guy who should be easy to root for.

These are the same people that cheered and applauded Whaley for drafting him and then proceeded to lecture us all on how anyone that was skeptical of the move didn't know what they were doing. This is that other side of that bi-polar thing that they have going on.

They get so ramped up with eagerness and anticipation instead of simply reading coherent and well-written documentation on, in this case, Manuel, and they ignore anything unfavorable written about him as a draftee.

Then when their opinionated narcissistic world crumbles around them they swing over to that other polarity in that bi-polar thing. Just wait, it will get even better as the season progresses and will climax early this year, probably in early October if not sooner. At least if the team isn't entertaining, you'll be able to come here and be entertained by it all.

[Mike]

I never said EJ is going to be great.

All I am saying is that he should be given the year to sink or swim.

There are no better options than that, not even Orton.

I see your 'Changing your Vote' already

[Fletch]

Players and Staffers told Marrone EJ wasn't good enough

A whole lot of people told everyone in the world that EJ wasn't good enough, that was prior to the day that we drafted him. Did anyone at OBD listen? No, of course not. Why put to use good information when you can wing it and make it sound good in post-draft speeches.

Instead, see below in my sig. Whaley states that they found a gem, that Manuel has that "It Factor," and that he's a great leader with presence.

Three strikes in a matter of moments on Draft Day last year.

[Homegrown]

In 2000 Collins took the Giants to the SB, with many of the same players that were on that 2003 team that imploded to 4-12.

Even the year before, 2002, the Giants were a playoff team and I think that was the year they lost that crazy game in the playoffs to the 49ers -second greatest playoff comeback!


Point is that the Giants and Bills are not comparable in their situations and prior performance and vet expectations.

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