Better Days... your one for missing the bigger picture. There is a huge difference between those Giants teams and this Bills team, between Eli as a prospect and EJ as a prospect! Big Differences!
For one, the Giants were CONTENDERS with a number of aging HOF Vets who wanted to win a SB and felt that Collins gave them their biggest opportunity given that he had taken them to the Superbowl a few years before! So, its understandable why a few vets would prefer the guy who took them to the dance over the guy who was just drafted!
And as prospects, these two guys could not be more different! Eli was first pick in the draft and widely considered the best QB and player and the CONSENSUS #1 Overall Pick...IN ONE OF THE BEST QB DRAFTS EVER!!!
EJ on the other hand, was considered a Developmental Project who was projected to be 3-5th round pick in one of the WORST QB DRAFTS! And he is coming on a team that has not stiffed the playoffs in 15years, to vets who want any ray of light and hope.... and he brings NONE!
He is as far from Eli as you can get...
Please Make Sense
Your storyline is a little off.
The 2003 Giants finished 4-12, including losing their last 8 games. Not so much a contenter…their QB (Collins) play was horrible.
In 2004 the Giants drafted Eli Manning.
Manning & Collins NEVER played on the same team …Collins was gone after the 2003 season. Kurt Warner was the other Giant QB in 2004.
swiper (09-02-2014)
I'm not, but thanks for trying. There are the guys like you who are frustrated with EJ's lack of visible progress and doubt his future success. That's fine. I'm in the same camp, but with a little bit more optimism than you are capable of. But then there are people who act like he's personally slighted them by merely existing in the vicinity of their favorite football team. Those are the guys who I don't understand, and I'd like them to make some sort of effort in helping me do so.
BuffaloRedleg (09-02-2014)
And IMO, what is sickening is all the HATE for a guy that has only played 10 games.
Bill Cody (09-02-2014),CoolBreeze (09-02-2014)
Orton may be the best backup QB in the league but he is just that, a backup. It seems like signing Orton brought the EJ hate up several notches, not sure why. EJ is what he is. A raw QB who is going to have his ups and downs. I swear to God the usual suspects that post something negative in every single thread that even mentions EJ are sad sacks that need to step out of mommy's basement and get some fresh air.
We share the same opinion. He hasn't even played a full season yet, and last year he did fine for a rookie QB. He can win games, and it's questionable if he's progressed even close to where we want him. But I seriously doubt he's gotten worse. Unfortunately the constant badgering will continue until he shuts them up or gets benched. I'm not concerned with the "bench EJ he's terrible, and we're doomed" crowd. For they're not football experts, nor do they have a crystal ball. This is what 15 years of disappointment does to a select few. They're frustrated and want results now. For me, I'll wait until week 4 before I come to a conclusion about EJ.
I have to put my faith in EJ, our season is on his and only his shoulders. NOT ORTON'S whether we like it or not
In 2000 Collins took the Giants to the SB, with many of the same players that were on that 2003 team that imploded to 4-12.
Even the year before, 2002, the Giants were a playoff team and I think that was the year they lost that crazy game in the playoffs to the 49ers -second greatest playoff comeback!
Point is that the Giants and Bills are not comparable in their situations and prior performance and vet expectations.
Homegrown (09-02-2014)
These are the same people that cheered and applauded Whaley for drafting him and then proceeded to lecture us all on how anyone that was skeptical of the move didn't know what they were doing. This is that other side of that bi-polar thing that they have going on.
They get so ramped up with eagerness and anticipation instead of simply reading coherent and well-written documentation on, in this case, Manuel, and they ignore anything unfavorable written about him as a draftee.
Then when their opinionated narcissistic world crumbles around them they swing over to that other polarity in that bi-polar thing. Just wait, it will get even better as the season progresses and will climax early this year, probably in early October if not sooner. At least if the team isn't entertaining, you'll be able to come here and be entertained by it all.
http://www.billszone.com/fanzone/sho...s-haters/page3
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"I was an integral part in the drafting process of EJ Manuel," Whaley said Thursday on NFL Network's Total Access. "I was the person that handled the draft process and setting up the board."
"We are committed. I want you to believe me when I say that," Whaley said of building around the second-year quarterback, per The Buffalo News. "I always tell you guys that I'll never say never because I don't want to paint myself in a corner, but when I do say something, I do it and I mean it and I try to fulfill it."
"We believe the addition of Sammy is going to be instant impact, not only to our quarterback, but to what our offensive coordinator can come up with game-plan wise and how defenses attack us," Whaley said.
Whaley on EJ Manuel: "We think we got a gem in this guy." (2:30)
"And as Mark says, if in three years maybe he's not [our quarterback of the future], then I'll be sitting there saying 'hey guys', .... anybody got a job for me?" - Doug Whaley
swiper (09-02-2014)
A whole lot of people told everyone in the world that EJ wasn't good enough, that was prior to the day that we drafted him. Did anyone at OBD listen? No, of course not. Why put to use good information when you can wing it and make it sound good in post-draft speeches.
Instead, see below in my sig. Whaley states that they found a gem, that Manuel has that "It Factor," and that he's a great leader with presence.
Three strikes in a matter of moments on Draft Day last year.