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What is the biggest improvement the Bills offense need going forward?
Pretty much all valid points so fart. I did notice alot of calls for Spiller to go up the gut which isn't his forte... Maybe we are saving the tosses in the flat for NE
Everyone keeps saying that about Spiller but if you look at his splits from last year, he did most of his damage straight up the middle.
He had his most yards and biggest ypc avg there.
This season his biggest run was through the offensive line with a nice hole. He hasn't run particularly well otherwise.
Everyone keeps trying to blame the coaching, system, and plays for Spiller's lack of production, but maybe it's just Spiller.
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Originally Posted by pmoon6
The idea that you "won't settle" presumes that you have some kind of control. Delusional thinking at best for a supposed fan of a spectators' sport. Your way to deal with it is to constantly ***** and denigrate any move, any result concerning the team even if it's positive because you don't want your whittle feewings hurt again. It's a protection mechanism.
You shroud your childish approach in a vale of pompous, intellectual garbage in an attempt to look smart and "real". You over-analyze even minute points and manipulate statistics to fit your negative view of the team. Again, to feel good about yourself and to protect from getting hurt.
Of course, the criticisms are obviously from someone who has no understanding of the team concept or what it takes to excel at athletics.
The true "realist" understands that they have no control of what happens on the field or behind the closed doors at One Bills' Drive, so they do the prudent thing for a spectator. They enjoy the games on Sunday with family and friends, cheer for their team and realize that it's just entertainment.
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"I was an integral part in the drafting process of EJ Manuel," Whaley said Thursday on NFL Network's Total Access. "I was the person that handled the draft process and setting up the board."
"We are committed. I want you to believe me when I say that," Whaley said of building around the second-year quarterback, per The Buffalo News. "I always tell you guys that I'll never say never because I don't want to paint myself in a corner, but when I do say something, I do it and I mean it and I try to fulfill it."
"We believe the addition of Sammy is going to be instant impact, not only to our quarterback, but to what our offensive coordinator can come up with game-plan wise and how defenses attack us," Whaley said.
Whaley on EJ Manuel: "We think we got a gem in this guy." (2:30)
"And as Mark says, if in three years maybe he's not [our quarterback of the future], then I'll be sitting there saying 'hey guys', .... anybody got a job for me?" - Doug Whaley
The ability to run the ball in the red zone is the key for this team. Team like NE is doing the opposite: the thread of Brady opens up so many rushing TDs down there.
Marrone admiited pretty much on Monday that the Bills' rushing average in Red Zone is 1 ypc. That is just down right atrocious. Of course this is an issue continued from last season. They may need run blocking better. But maybe they can give Dixon some carries to see if he can move the piles better than CJ and Jackson.
Even not in red zone, the fact the team not able to convert 3rd and 3 or shorter by run is alarming.
What about passing in the red zone? You don't see that as an issue?
I thought that was why we signed Mike Williams, who incidentally hasn't done anything so far this season.
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Originally Posted by pmoon6
The idea that you "won't settle" presumes that you have some kind of control. Delusional thinking at best for a supposed fan of a spectators' sport. Your way to deal with it is to constantly ***** and denigrate any move, any result concerning the team even if it's positive because you don't want your whittle feewings hurt again. It's a protection mechanism.
You shroud your childish approach in a vale of pompous, intellectual garbage in an attempt to look smart and "real". You over-analyze even minute points and manipulate statistics to fit your negative view of the team. Again, to feel good about yourself and to protect from getting hurt.
Of course, the criticisms are obviously from someone who has no understanding of the team concept or what it takes to excel at athletics.
The true "realist" understands that they have no control of what happens on the field or behind the closed doors at One Bills' Drive, so they do the prudent thing for a spectator. They enjoy the games on Sunday with family and friends, cheer for their team and realize that it's just entertainment.
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"I was an integral part in the drafting process of EJ Manuel," Whaley said Thursday on NFL Network's Total Access. "I was the person that handled the draft process and setting up the board."
"We are committed. I want you to believe me when I say that," Whaley said of building around the second-year quarterback, per The Buffalo News. "I always tell you guys that I'll never say never because I don't want to paint myself in a corner, but when I do say something, I do it and I mean it and I try to fulfill it."
"We believe the addition of Sammy is going to be instant impact, not only to our quarterback, but to what our offensive coordinator can come up with game-plan wise and how defenses attack us," Whaley said.
Whaley on EJ Manuel: "We think we got a gem in this guy." (2:30)
"And as Mark says, if in three years maybe he's not [our quarterback of the future], then I'll be sitting there saying 'hey guys', .... anybody got a job for me?" - Doug Whaley
What about passing in the red zone? You don't see that as an issue?
I thought that was why we signed Mike Williams, who incidentally hasn't done anything so far this season.
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They need more SchAAA-wing in the red zone.
I think you are one of those made up mind on EJ already so I have been avoid you on this forum - no one needs to waste time hatching a stone to chicken.
But I want to point out that I watched first hand the whole development of Roethlisberger from 2004 on where I thought Cowher and his staff was instrumental in the development big Ben and I'm sure Whaley will be 100% more intimate with the entire process. I admit I was one of those thought the Steelers made a big mistake taking Roethlisberger in the 1st round (in hindsight, he should be 1st overall).
Roethlisberger was not supposed to start, but injury to Tommy Maddox forced Ben into service for 14 games, practically a season (if you count the two playoff games). The Steelers went 15-1. Ben averaged 21 passes, 1.1TD, 0.8 INT a game. The Steelers offense scored 36 TDs, Ben threw 17. Bettis alone had 13 TDs rushing from close range.
You can easily see that Ben was in "game manager" mold then. But the Steelers, led by Bettis, was a threat to run the ball every time in Red zone. Inside 10? Everyone knew Bettis was getting the ball and opponent could not stop, leading to many easy play action TD passes from Ben.
Now fast forward to 2014, no one has patience any more. You guys are comparing EJ to Manning, to Luck, to Brady. EJ needs to throw long and wide, needs to shred defense to pieces, needs to score TD every time in red zone. I just don't have that expectation. I just want him NOT to lose games for the Bills which was exactly what Whaley and Marrone set out to do this year.
"What he did is not good enough facing Chargers or other good teams." I heard that 10 years ago in Pittsburgh. Guess what, let him play and see if he can or not. If I remember correctly, that was exactly the words Cowher answered one of the reporter in one of his presser then. I laugh at those in Buffalo media said about Bills current formula won't be good enough to beat good teams. Kansas City went 7-1 with this formula. Whaley sure remembered the Steelers went 15-1 10 years ago with the same formula, and then next year to a superbowl win.
EJ is EJ; Ben is Ben. I'm not comparing them. Just the approach to use them.
Like the 2004 Steelers, Marrone wants to run the ball in 2014. But that's where I see disappointment - not only we don't have a future HOF Bettis on the roster, our offensive line cannot even help converting short yardage.
On D, if we had Kiko Alonzo on the field this season, I'd be tempted to compare our 2014 defense to the 2004 Steelers D.
The biggest problem has been the running game in the red zone. Too many 2nd and 8s etc to be effective. O Line just can't see to get enough push. I think they may need to get creative in the red zone as pounding the rock does not seem to work with this line.
What about passing in the red zone? You don't see that as an issue?
I thought that was why we signed Mike Williams, who incidentally hasn't done anything so far this season.
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They need more SchAAA-wing in the red zone.
If you can't run the ball effectively in the red zone then it bleeds over into the passing game. EJ isn't the guy we want throwing the ball all over the red zone until he proves over the course of several games that he can do that effectively without turning it over. He obviously hasn't done that yet, so running the ball well should be our priority and has been our biggest weakness.
The biggest problem has been the running game in the red zone. Too many 2nd and 8s etc to be effective. O Line just can't see to get enough push. I think they may need to get creative in the red zone as pounding the rock does not seem to work with this line.
I mentioned during pre season that they might want to work in practice with an OL or DL as blocking back in goal line situations, based on CIN having success last season and this season with DT Peko. They have used it elsewhere on the field in short yardage, but as a ruse for a pass play.
Re: What is the biggest improvement the Bills offense need going forward?
3rd down and red zone deficiencies. Solve those issues specifically and this is an elite team. It won't be a sexy offense but it could be wildly effective.
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