Who wins the AFC East?

[chris66]

Your coach seems to like trading down for more picks and rarely uses his high 1st rounders.

He hasnt traded high 1st rounders.
He drafted mayo at 10, solder at 16, jones at17.those have been the only top picks he has had.

[Forward_Lateral]

I said it a week or so ago, and I'll say it again. 8 wins has a good shot at winning this division. The Jets are terrible, the Dolphins aren't very good, the Pats are old and look about as beatable as they have ever looked, and the Bills aren't any worse than any of the 3 aforementioned teams.

I'm hoping Orton brings stability to the offense and it carries over to victories.

[better days]

uhh...no, maybe the 86' team when those guys were all prime--but that SB was more to do with the coaching. Also, this Pats D does have some of the best talent they've had in recent years--but BB has ceded too much control to that momo Patricia.

He's devised a gameplan to beat pretty much every elite QB, at one point or another. Oddly enough, I can only recall Joe Flacco consistently playing well against his teams (save for the performance on one leg last year).

Vince Wilfork has been a beast in that defense. So far this year, he looks like a shell of his former self.

And no, Revis is not better than Talib.

[OpIv37]

I said it a week or so ago, and I'll say it again. 8 wins has a good shot at winning this division. The Jets are terrible, the Dolphins aren't very good, the Pats are old and look about as beatable as they have ever looked, and the Bills aren't any worse than any of the 3 aforementioned teams.

I'm hoping Orton brings stability to the offense and it carries over to victories.

I disagreed with you on the 8 win thing at the time, but it seems a hell of a lot more likely now. The entire div is 2-2 and all 4 teams only have one game out of 4 where they really looked good.

I guess you could argue that Miami looked good in both their wins, but their 2nd one was against Oakland after a 9 hour plane trip and an 8 hour time difference.

[chris66]

I said it a week or so ago, and I'll say it again. 8 wins has a good shot at winning this division. The Jets are terrible, the Dolphins aren't very good, the Pats are old and look about as beatable as they have ever looked, and the Bills aren't any worse than any of the 3 aforementioned teams.

I'm hoping Orton brings stability to the offense and it carries over to victories.

screw that.dont want to barely get in. Then have sd or balt. Come in and give you a beat down and end up with the 20th pick for your troubles

[better days]

He hasnt traded high 1st rounders.
He drafted mayo at 10, solder at 16, jones at17.those have been the only top picks he has had.

On the other hand the Pats* have had more than enough picks over the years to trade up to get that elite player but Belicheck never made that bold move.

[chris66]

On the other hand the Pats* have had more than enough picks over the years to trade up to get that elite player but Belicheck never made that bold move.

Jones was a trade up 21 to 17

[imbondz]

Tired of drafting in the bottom 4 or 5 spots. Pats are no where near champion caliber.

stfu

[Fletch]

He hasnt traded high 1st rounders.
He drafted mayo at 10, solder at 16, jones at17.those have been the only top picks he has had.

Yeah, I was half kidding around.

Jones was a 21st overall that he actually traded up for. But he does have a history of trading down.

[better days]

I disagreed with you on the 8 win thing at the time, but it seems a hell of a lot more likely now. The entire div is 2-2 and all 4 teams only have one game out of 4 where they really looked good.

I guess you could argue that Miami looked good in both their wins, but their 2nd one was against Oakland after a 9 hour plane trip and an 8 hour time difference.

What game do you think the Pats* looked GOOD in?

The Pats* were just lucky to play a team in turmoil when they played the Vikings.

[Fletch]

On the other hand the Pats* have had more than enough picks over the years to trade up to get that elite player but Belicheck never made that bold move.

As someone I know once put it, in the 2021 draft Belicheat was going to have every pick in 3rd round.

[better days]

Jones was a trade up 21 to 17

OK, if you consider that a bold move.

Too little too late IMO.

[Fletch]

Belicheat is finished once Brady retires.

His record when Brady has not been his QB is 52-62 and that includes 2008 and a ridiculously weak schedule with Cassel under center.

He's never had much success coaching up QBs otherwise. Cassel was very average that season.

[chris66]

Belicheat is finished once Brady retires.

His record when Brady has not been his QB is 52-62 and that includes 2008 and a ridiculously weak schedule with Cassel under center.

He's never had much success coaching up QBs otherwise. Cassel was very average that season.

That was still cassells best season. So coaching isnt an issue. Garrapollo looks like a gamer. Pats issues are in the trenches which is probably the easiest to fix

[trapezeus]

i feel like belichick is like a junkie trying to quit cheating. and every year he tries to be good and at some point they get hosed, everyone claims its over, and with no talent on offense or defense, the team goes on a 10-1 run and the talking heads say, "brady, he's just that good."

And the only reason they have struggled 2 of last 3 years is because he is trying to do it legit. and when he's no good at it, like he historically has been, he turns to the film and ernie adams and they string together their wins.

I fully expect them to win the division at 11-5 despite how terrible they looked.

I will also say that Tom Brady is the anti jeter. Where everyone wants to celebrate jeter and see him one last time, if you heard that this was brady's last season and he's going to get trounced and beaten in each game, NFL fans would show up in the thousands. Anti-Jeter. No class, not legit, and hopefully will be remembered as the biggest hack to get lucky in pro football.

[Forward_Lateral]

I disagreed with you on the 8 win thing at the time, but it seems a hell of a lot more likely now. The entire div is 2-2 and all 4 teams only have one game out of 4 where they really looked good.

I guess you could argue that Miami looked good in both their wins, but their 2nd one was against Oakland after a 9 hour plane trip and an 8 hour time difference.

Miami has looked AWFUL in their losses. Plus, they just beat the living snot out of a very bad Oakland team.

screw that.dont want to barely get in. Then have sd or balt. Come in and give you a beat down and end up with the 20th pick for your troubles

Are you an idiot.

[Dr. Lecter]

Here is how I look at this.

The Bills have a realistic chance to win the following games (I am not saying they will win all of them - this is for arguments sake)

New England at home
Miami
Jets at home
Minnesota
Oakland
Cleveland

That gets them to 8 wins.

I will assume that Detroit and Denver are losses.

Can they pull out one of these games?

Green Bay at home (unlikely, I almost put that in the previous category)
At the Jets? Possible. Smith makes mistakes when pressured
At New England? History is not there. But NE does not look like they have before. Of course, they can rebound anytime.
KC at home? Revenge for last year? They look good - right now I think that is a loss.


But if they can get to 9 wins, I think it is possible especially if that includes a good AFC East record to win tiebreakers.

If I had to pick a team I would say New England just because. But really I can see it being anybody.

[better days]

That was still cassells best season. So coaching isnt an issue. Garrapollo looks like a gamer. Pats issues are in the trenches which is probably the easiest to fix

I think you have to agree, losing Mankins was a HUGE loss for the Pats* Not easy to replace that experience & leadership. As a Bucs fan, I am happy to have him.

And as I said before, WIlfork looks like a shell of himself, replacing someone as big & fast as Vince used to be is not easy.

[sukie]

I'm not sure we should be too harsh on EJ. Not many QBs are ready 2 years out of college. The Wilsons / Kapernacks are not the norm. He should be sitting the bench and learning from someone, but that's not his fault.

EJ wasn't supposed to start last season and was supposed to battle last year's starter this preseason...

[don137]

The reason I do not think it is NE winning the division is besides 5 remaining division games their out of division games are:
Home: Cincy, Chicago, Denver and Detroit
Road: Colts, GB and San Diego
Not an easy game in the bunch especially factoring in they only played one good game and three bad games. They barely beat Oakland at home. I just don't see how they can win the division against those opponents and the way they have been playing.