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  • Fletch
    Registered User
    • May 2007
    • 3166

    #16
    Re: Some info on Orton

    Originally posted by Buffalogic View Post
    Ya, you'd do that if you wanted to be fired. Our team would be a lot worse off without Spiller, Watkins, and Williams and there's no way we would make the playoffs this year without them. Those guys are reliable starters in the NFL. That's what you are hoping to get in the draft. What would you like instead? Kiko Alonso's at every pick?

    The bills have been bad because of the constant total whiffs in the draft like EJ, not the guys who are actually performing well at this level.
    Your statement makes little sense as did Jokeman's.

    It's not as if you simply remove those players and have a 49 man roster. You would have drafted others.

    My point was simple, if I were GM my eyes would always have the next three years in view, not simply the next season. It's an idiotic approach to wait until year five of a five-year contract with a QB (or any player), have him leave because you couldn't come to terms, and in the case of the Bills not getting something done in the offseason prior to the draft of that players last season, and then approach the following draft with your pants down because you didn't have the foresight to plan properly.

    A good GM would draft players at positions which are rich in the draft because that's when you get good value. You don't do what we've often done and go for positions that are weak, like last year when we had to go for Manuel because we had no none and were forced into the pick, or Spiller in a relatively weak RB class as two primary examples.

    I mean how come we had nothing at QB going into last year's draft (2013)? Poor planning is the only reason. Whaley was in charge, he's been the Asst. GM form '10 to '12 and the GM since then and the top personnel guy the entire time, blame him.

    Perfect time to insert this point, but next year is supposed to be another rich year for QBs but we don't have a 1st round pick. One more bit of genius from Whaley. So once again we're screwed and have to make other plans regardless of who's running the show. All for what, Watkins who hasn't come close to living up to his status yet and can't even outperform a bunch of other rookies with comparable QB issues including Allen Hurns who wasn't even drafted and plays for Jacksonville.
    http://www.billszone.com/fanzone/sho...s-haters/page3

    Post #46

    Originally posted by Yasgur's Farm
    (Moderator) My name's Max Yasgur, and I approve of this post.
    Originally Posted by pmoon6
    The idea that you "won't settle" presumes that you have some kind of control. Delusional thinking at best for a supposed fan of a spectators' sport. Your way to deal with it is to constantly ***** and denigrate any move, any result concerning the team even if it's positive because you don't want your whittle feewings hurt again. It's a protection mechanism.

    You shroud your childish approach in a vale of pompous, intellectual garbage in an attempt to look smart and "real". You over-analyze even minute points and manipulate statistics to fit your negative view of the team. Again, to feel good about yourself and to protect from getting hurt.

    Of course, the criticisms are obviously from someone who has no understanding of the team concept or what it takes to excel at athletics.

    The true "realist" understands that they have no control of what happens on the field or behind the closed doors at One Bills' Drive, so they do the prudent thing for a spectator. They enjoy the games on Sunday with family and friends, cheer for their team and realize that it's just entertainment.
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    "I was an integral part in the drafting process of EJ Manuel," Whaley said Thursday on NFL Network's Total Access. "I was the person that handled the draft process and setting up the board."

    "We are committed. I want you to believe me when I say that," Whaley said of building around the second-year quarterback, per The Buffalo News. "I always tell you guys that I'll never say never because I don't want to paint myself in a corner, but when I do say something, I do it and I mean it and I try to fulfill it."

    "We believe the addition of Sammy is going to be instant impact, not only to our quarterback, but to what our offensive coordinator can come up with game-plan wise and how defenses attack us," Whaley said.

    Whaley on EJ Manuel: "We think we got a gem in this guy." (2:30)

    "And as Mark says, if in three years maybe he's not [our quarterback of the future], then I'll be sitting there saying 'hey guys', .... anybody got a job for me?" - Doug Whaley

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    • Meathead
      Insufferable ***** and perpetual crybaby
      • Jul 2002
      • 21349

      #17
      Re: Some info on Orton

      Originally posted by Fletch View Post
      I skimmed it and hit the meaty parts.
      watch it buster
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      • Meathead
        Insufferable ***** and perpetual crybaby
        • Jul 2002
        • 21349

        #18
        Re: Some info on Orton

        Originally posted by BillsImpossible View Post
        I'm getting a woody reading this article.
        if it lasts more than four touchdown passes see your doctor
        One set of rules for all in the beloved community

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        • Fletch
          Registered User
          • May 2007
          • 3166

          #19
          Re: Some info on Orton

          LOL @ both.
          http://www.billszone.com/fanzone/sho...s-haters/page3

          Post #46

          Originally posted by Yasgur's Farm
          (Moderator) My name's Max Yasgur, and I approve of this post.
          Originally Posted by pmoon6
          The idea that you "won't settle" presumes that you have some kind of control. Delusional thinking at best for a supposed fan of a spectators' sport. Your way to deal with it is to constantly ***** and denigrate any move, any result concerning the team even if it's positive because you don't want your whittle feewings hurt again. It's a protection mechanism.

          You shroud your childish approach in a vale of pompous, intellectual garbage in an attempt to look smart and "real". You over-analyze even minute points and manipulate statistics to fit your negative view of the team. Again, to feel good about yourself and to protect from getting hurt.

          Of course, the criticisms are obviously from someone who has no understanding of the team concept or what it takes to excel at athletics.

          The true "realist" understands that they have no control of what happens on the field or behind the closed doors at One Bills' Drive, so they do the prudent thing for a spectator. They enjoy the games on Sunday with family and friends, cheer for their team and realize that it's just entertainment.
          ------

          "I was an integral part in the drafting process of EJ Manuel," Whaley said Thursday on NFL Network's Total Access. "I was the person that handled the draft process and setting up the board."

          "We are committed. I want you to believe me when I say that," Whaley said of building around the second-year quarterback, per The Buffalo News. "I always tell you guys that I'll never say never because I don't want to paint myself in a corner, but when I do say something, I do it and I mean it and I try to fulfill it."

          "We believe the addition of Sammy is going to be instant impact, not only to our quarterback, but to what our offensive coordinator can come up with game-plan wise and how defenses attack us," Whaley said.

          Whaley on EJ Manuel: "We think we got a gem in this guy." (2:30)

          "And as Mark says, if in three years maybe he's not [our quarterback of the future], then I'll be sitting there saying 'hey guys', .... anybody got a job for me?" - Doug Whaley

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          • Forward_Lateral
            Registered User
            • Mar 2004
            • 29897

            #20
            Re: Some info on Orton

            Originally posted by Meathead View Post
            if it lasts more than four touchdown passes see your doctor
            Doctor? F that I'm calling 4 midget hookers

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            • Meathead
              Insufferable ***** and perpetual crybaby
              • Jul 2002
              • 21349

              #21
              Re: Some info on Orton

              thats disgusting

              four midget nun hookers, now yer talkin
              One set of rules for all in the beloved community

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              • imbondz
                Democrats are people too
                • Jan 2003
                • 26041

                #22
                Re: Some info on Orton

                Orton is 4-0 against the Lions.
                My faith doesn’t make me perfect, it makes me forgiven.

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                • trapezeus
                  Legendary Zoner
                  • Oct 2004
                  • 19525

                  #23
                  Re: Some info on Orton

                  Originally posted by imbondz View Post
                  Orton is 4-0 against the Lions.
                  lots of people in our survivor pool are picking detroit. i hope O face orton comes through and hits 5-0

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                  • Buffalogic
                    Rumblin' Stumblin' Bumblin'
                    • Feb 2006
                    • 5346

                    #24
                    Re: Some info on Orton

                    Originally posted by Fletch View Post
                    It's not as if you simply remove those players and have a 49 man roster. You would have drafted others.
                    Which you are trading confirmed reliable starters in the NFL for total unknowns that you could get absolutely nothing out of. Yay let's throw away the starters we actually were lucky enough to find in the draft to add another possible chip to our bust pile. That's absurd.

                    I mean you are equipped with hindsight and you are still making terrible decisions in your own GM fantasy.

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                    • The Jokeman
                      Registered User
                      • Dec 2003
                      • 9995

                      #25
                      Re: Some info on Orton

                      Originally posted by Fletch View Post
                      Believe it or not there are other possibilities. First of all let's not forget that Whaley was the Asst. GM and top personnel guy since 2010. Selective memory failure is no excuse for not pointing that out.

                      Second of all I wouldn't have allowed this team to get into that predicament to begin with so laying Whaley's failures and mess from 2010 thru 2012 at my feet isn't fair.

                      So let's start there. I was literally screaming at my friends for us to select Wilson when he was available in 2012! Problem solved!

                      Anything else?

                      My grass is greener. Your suggesting that i'm just as foolish and stupid as Whaley annoys me.

                      I also wouldn't have wasted a 1st round pick on Spiller, 3rd round picks on Graham or Goodwin, or a 2nd rounder on Aaron Williams. I sure as hell wouldn't have traded away next year's 1st and 4th for Watkins and would have taken Evans or Benjamin instead, whichever was available at 9th if I even felt that I needed a WR that badly instead of not keeping Stevie for another season.
                      I can agree with a lot of what you said. Specifically on the Spiller, Goodwin and Williams pick. I agree to a degree on the Watkins pick as part of me hates losing the pick next year as felt we could use it to help fine tune our roster which I see holes in. Yet when consider that Watkins might be another elite/great one it might be worth it. Of course time will tell what we ultimately giving up and/or what the Browns gained.

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                      • The Jokeman
                        Registered User
                        • Dec 2003
                        • 9995

                        #26
                        Re: Some info on Orton

                        Originally posted by Fletch View Post
                        Your statement makes little sense as did Jokeman's.

                        It's not as if you simply remove those players and have a 49 man roster. You would have drafted others.

                        My point was simple, if I were GM my eyes would always have the next three years in view, not simply the next season. It's an idiotic approach to wait until year five of a five-year contract with a QB (or any player), have him leave because you couldn't come to terms, and in the case of the Bills not getting something done in the offseason prior to the draft of that players last season, and then approach the following draft with your pants down because you didn't have the foresight to plan properly.

                        A good GM would draft players at positions which are rich in the draft because that's when you get good value. You don't do what we've often done and go for positions that are weak, like last year when we had to go for Manuel because we had no none and were forced into the pick, or Spiller in a relatively weak RB class as two primary examples.

                        I mean how come we had nothing at QB going into last year's draft (2013)? Poor planning is the only reason. Whaley was in charge, he's been the Asst. GM form '10 to '12 and the GM since then and the top personnel guy the entire time, blame him.

                        Perfect time to insert this point, but next year is supposed to be another rich year for QBs but we don't have a 1st round pick. One more bit of genius from Whaley. So once again we're screwed and have to make other plans regardless of who's running the show. All for what, Watkins who hasn't come close to living up to his status yet and can't even outperform a bunch of other rookies with comparable QB issues including Allen Hurns who wasn't even drafted and plays for Jacksonville.
                        I'm all about value drafting. It's been one of the things I've been talking about for years on this board. Case in point the year we took Spiller. For most of that offseason I really felt we should take Bryan Bulaga as felt it filled a need and wasn't worth passing on. Then a few days before the draft I refocused and did some other evaluation and came up with a post in which I debated Spiller vs Dez Bryant as at that time it looked like more and more Spiller was going to be our pick. I felt Bryant fit an emerging need at WR (as prior to this draft Stevie was an unknown). I'm far from perfect as admit I didn't think Wilson would amount to much but I still think you put Wilson in Buffalo he doesn't have the same record.

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                        • better days
                          Registered User
                          • Jan 2010
                          • 22028

                          #27
                          Re: Some info on Orton

                          Originally posted by The Jokeman View Post
                          I'm all about value drafting. It's been one of the things I've been talking about for years on this board. Case in point the year we took Spiller. For most of that offseason I really felt we should take Bryan Bulaga as felt it filled a need and wasn't worth passing on. Then a few days before the draft I refocused and did some other evaluation and came up with a post in which I debated Spiller vs Dez Bryant as at that time it looked like more and more Spiller was going to be our pick. I felt Bryant fit an emerging need at WR (as prior to this draft Stevie was an unknown). I'm far from perfect as admit I didn't think Wilson would amount to much but I still think you put Wilson in Buffalo he doesn't have the same record.
                          I really wanted Wilson & he would have been a GREAT pick for the Bills.

                          Dez Bryant would not have the stats for the Bills that he has with Dallas.

                          Bryan Balaga would be the same injury prone mediocre player he is no matter who drafted him.

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