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  • stuckincincy
    Buffalo Bills Fan
    • Sep 2003
    • 15084

    TMQ fires off a shot at play calling and management

    ..." 'Tis Better To Have Rushed And Lost Than Never To Have Rushed At All: Buffalo went to Houston to face the Texans, who entered with the 25th-ranked rushing defense. Yet adjusting for sacks and scrambles, Bills coaches called 47 passing plays and just 22 rushes. The Bills' average gain per rush, 4.2 yards, nearly exceeded their pitiful average gain of 4.8 yards per passing attempt.

    With Buffalo leading 10-7 early in the third quarter, the Bills reached third-and-2 on the Houston 12. A run stands a good chance of making the first down, or setting up either fourth-and-1 or a field goal for a 13-7 margin. Instead it's a pass -- intercepted by J.J. Watt and returned 80 yards for a touchdown. That's a swing of 10 to 14 points; Houston won by six.

    Since 2012, Buffalo management has invested three first-round draft picks, a second-rounder, two third-rounders and a fourth-rounder in its quarterback and wide receivers. (This includes the 2015 picks already spent on Sammy Watkins.) At Houston, it felt like the Bills' brain trust thought the team had to be pass-wacky to justify spending so many high picks on receivers and the accuracy-challenged EJ Manuel. Turns out all the Bills were justifying was the soon-to-come housecleaning from new owner Terry Pegula. The postgame benching of Manuel -- who was often off the mark in college, too -- shows the Bills' brain trust knows the clock is ticking on its employment.

    Fiat justitia ruat caelum. Noli timere. Laus Deo.
  • Buffalogic
    Rumblin' Stumblin' Bumblin'
    • Feb 2006
    • 5345

    #2
    Re: TMQ fires off a shot at play calling and management

    FO not responsible for idiot Hackett's game plan.

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    • MitchMurrayDowntown
      Skoobasaurus-Rex
      • Oct 2011
      • 22284

      #3
      Re: TMQ fires off a shot at play calling and management

      This guy must of bet on Buffalo.

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      • Fletch
        Registered User
        • May 2007
        • 3166

        #4
        Re: TMQ fires off a shot at play calling and management

        Originally posted by stuckincincy View Post
        ..." 'Tis Better To Have Rushed And Lost Than Never To Have Rushed At All: Buffalo went to Houston to face the Texans, who entered with the 25th-ranked rushing defense. Yet adjusting for sacks and scrambles, Bills coaches called 47 passing plays and just 22 rushes. The Bills' average gain per rush, 4.2 yards, nearly exceeded their pitiful average gain of 4.8 yards per passing attempt.

        With Buffalo leading 10-7 early in the third quarter, the Bills reached third-and-2 on the Houston 12. A run stands a good chance of making the first down, or setting up either fourth-and-1 or a field goal for a 13-7 margin. Instead it's a pass -- intercepted by J.J. Watt and returned 80 yards for a touchdown. That's a swing of 10 to 14 points; Houston won by six.

        Since 2012, Buffalo management has invested three first-round draft picks, a second-rounder, two third-rounders and a fourth-rounder in its quarterback and wide receivers. (This includes the 2015 picks already spent on Sammy Watkins.) At Houston, it felt like the Bills' brain trust thought the team had to be pass-wacky to justify spending so many high picks on receivers and the accuracy-challenged EJ Manuel. Turns out all the Bills were justifying was the soon-to-come housecleaning from new owner Terry Pegula. The postgame benching of Manuel -- who was often off the mark in college, too -- shows the Bills' brain trust knows the clock is ticking on its employment.

        http://espn.go.com/nfl/story/_/page/...ng-quarterback
        If they had written their opinions of that prior to the season starting they would be hated in Buffalo, deemed idiots, and worse. Now they're right.

        Also from that link:

        The title of the piece

        Why mega-trades don't work
        • This April, Buffalo traded two first-round picks -- plus a fourth-rounder -- for Sammy Watkins. He's appeared in only four contests, but the initial impression gives pause. Watkins has been targeted 32 times and made just 17 catches, with six drops. His receiving stats are barely better than those of aging Buffalo utility player Fred Jackson, the league's oldest running back.
        Just pointing out what should be the obvious. That also doesn't seem like it's all a QB's fault.
        http://www.billszone.com/fanzone/sho...s-haters/page3

        Post #46

        Originally posted by Yasgur's Farm
        (Moderator) My name's Max Yasgur, and I approve of this post.
        Originally Posted by pmoon6
        The idea that you "won't settle" presumes that you have some kind of control. Delusional thinking at best for a supposed fan of a spectators' sport. Your way to deal with it is to constantly ***** and denigrate any move, any result concerning the team even if it's positive because you don't want your whittle feewings hurt again. It's a protection mechanism.

        You shroud your childish approach in a vale of pompous, intellectual garbage in an attempt to look smart and "real". You over-analyze even minute points and manipulate statistics to fit your negative view of the team. Again, to feel good about yourself and to protect from getting hurt.

        Of course, the criticisms are obviously from someone who has no understanding of the team concept or what it takes to excel at athletics.

        The true "realist" understands that they have no control of what happens on the field or behind the closed doors at One Bills' Drive, so they do the prudent thing for a spectator. They enjoy the games on Sunday with family and friends, cheer for their team and realize that it's just entertainment.
        ------

        "I was an integral part in the drafting process of EJ Manuel," Whaley said Thursday on NFL Network's Total Access. "I was the person that handled the draft process and setting up the board."

        "We are committed. I want you to believe me when I say that," Whaley said of building around the second-year quarterback, per The Buffalo News. "I always tell you guys that I'll never say never because I don't want to paint myself in a corner, but when I do say something, I do it and I mean it and I try to fulfill it."

        "We believe the addition of Sammy is going to be instant impact, not only to our quarterback, but to what our offensive coordinator can come up with game-plan wise and how defenses attack us," Whaley said.

        Whaley on EJ Manuel: "We think we got a gem in this guy." (2:30)

        "And as Mark says, if in three years maybe he's not [our quarterback of the future], then I'll be sitting there saying 'hey guys', .... anybody got a job for me?" - Doug Whaley

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        • stuckincincy
          Buffalo Bills Fan
          • Sep 2003
          • 15084

          #5
          Re: TMQ fires off a shot at play calling and management

          Originally posted by MitchMurrayDowntown View Post
          This guy must of bet on Buffalo.
          He's a Kenmore native, and has wide renown. I'm surprised you haven't heard of him, well-read as you are.
          Fiat justitia ruat caelum. Noli timere. Laus Deo.

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          • Fletch
            Registered User
            • May 2007
            • 3166

            #6
            Re: TMQ fires off a shot at play calling and management

            Originally posted by stuckincincy View Post
            He's a Kenmore native, and has wide renown. I'm surprised you haven't heard of him, well-read as you are.
            You know the drill.

            By the way, here are the current rookie WR stats;

            1 Kelvin Benjamin 2014 23 CAR NFL 4 4 36 21 329 15.67 3 82.3 58.3
            2 Mike Evans 2014 21 TAM NFL 4 4 27 17 203 11.94 1 50.8 63.0
            3 Brandin Cooks 2014 21 NOR NFL 4 3 30 23 199 8.65 1 49.8 76.7
            4 Sammy Watkins 2014 21 BUF NFL 4 4 32 17 197 11.59 2 49.3 53.1
            5 Allen Hurns 2014 23 JAX NFL 4 3 24 7 186 26.57 3 46.5 29.2
            6 Allen Robinson 2014 21 JAX NFL 4 2 26 12 154 12.83 0 38.5 46.2
            7 Jordan Matthews 2014 22 PHI NFL 4 2 24 15 141 9.40 2 35.3 62.5
            8 Jarvis Landry 2014 22 MIA NFL 4 0 18 12 111 9.25 0 27.8 66.7
            9 John Brown 2014 24 ARI NFL 3 0 15 9 109 12.11 3 36.3 60.0
            10 Philly Brown 2014 23 CAR NFL 4 1 13 9 101 11.22 0 25.3 69.2
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            Post #46

            Originally posted by Yasgur's Farm
            (Moderator) My name's Max Yasgur, and I approve of this post.
            Originally Posted by pmoon6
            The idea that you "won't settle" presumes that you have some kind of control. Delusional thinking at best for a supposed fan of a spectators' sport. Your way to deal with it is to constantly ***** and denigrate any move, any result concerning the team even if it's positive because you don't want your whittle feewings hurt again. It's a protection mechanism.

            You shroud your childish approach in a vale of pompous, intellectual garbage in an attempt to look smart and "real". You over-analyze even minute points and manipulate statistics to fit your negative view of the team. Again, to feel good about yourself and to protect from getting hurt.

            Of course, the criticisms are obviously from someone who has no understanding of the team concept or what it takes to excel at athletics.

            The true "realist" understands that they have no control of what happens on the field or behind the closed doors at One Bills' Drive, so they do the prudent thing for a spectator. They enjoy the games on Sunday with family and friends, cheer for their team and realize that it's just entertainment.
            ------

            "I was an integral part in the drafting process of EJ Manuel," Whaley said Thursday on NFL Network's Total Access. "I was the person that handled the draft process and setting up the board."

            "We are committed. I want you to believe me when I say that," Whaley said of building around the second-year quarterback, per The Buffalo News. "I always tell you guys that I'll never say never because I don't want to paint myself in a corner, but when I do say something, I do it and I mean it and I try to fulfill it."

            "We believe the addition of Sammy is going to be instant impact, not only to our quarterback, but to what our offensive coordinator can come up with game-plan wise and how defenses attack us," Whaley said.

            Whaley on EJ Manuel: "We think we got a gem in this guy." (2:30)

            "And as Mark says, if in three years maybe he's not [our quarterback of the future], then I'll be sitting there saying 'hey guys', .... anybody got a job for me?" - Doug Whaley

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            • better days
              Registered User
              • Jan 2010
              • 22028

              #7
              Re: TMQ fires off a shot at play calling and management

              Originally posted by Fletch View Post
              You know the drill.

              By the way, here are the current rookie WR stats;

              1 Kelvin Benjamin 2014 23 CAR NFL 4 4 36 21 329 15.67 3 82.3 58.3
              2 Mike Evans 2014 21 TAM NFL 4 4 27 17 203 11.94 1 50.8 63.0
              3 Brandin Cooks 2014 21 NOR NFL 4 3 30 23 199 8.65 1 49.8 76.7
              4 Sammy Watkins 2014 21 BUF NFL 4 4 32 17 197 11.59 2 49.3 53.1
              5 Allen Hurns 2014 23 JAX NFL 4 3 24 7 186 26.57 3 46.5 29.2
              6 Allen Robinson 2014 21 JAX NFL 4 2 26 12 154 12.83 0 38.5 46.2
              7 Jordan Matthews 2014 22 PHI NFL 4 2 24 15 141 9.40 2 35.3 62.5
              8 Jarvis Landry 2014 22 MIA NFL 4 0 18 12 111 9.25 0 27.8 66.7
              9 John Brown 2014 24 ARI NFL 3 0 15 9 109 12.11 3 36.3 60.0
              10 Philly Brown 2014 23 CAR NFL 4 1 13 9 101 11.22 0 25.3 69.2
              Post the WR stats in another 2-3 weeks.

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              • stuckincincy
                Buffalo Bills Fan
                • Sep 2003
                • 15084

                #8
                Re: TMQ fires off a shot at play calling and management

                Originally posted by Fletch View Post
                You know the drill.

                By the way, here are the current rookie WR stats;
                Thanks for the chart. Slim picking for this years' wr crop regarding the qbs tossing to them, after 4 games into the season. Cooks has NO with Brees, J. Brown has Palmer who is injured, Matthews has the up and down Foles. The rest of the qbs - eh.
                Fiat justitia ruat caelum. Noli timere. Laus Deo.

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                • Homegrown
                  Havin' a ball ... rollin' to the bottom
                  • Jul 2008
                  • 2774

                  #9
                  Re: TMQ fires off a shot at play calling and management

                  Originally posted by stuckincincy View Post
                  ... Bills coaches called 47 passing plays and just 22 rushes.
                  I applaud the Bills coaches for calling the game the way they did ...it exposed EJ for the player he is - not very good - and the coaches had to accept it ... now we can move on from the EJ era.

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                  • colin
                    Drew's my hero!
                    • Jul 2002
                    • 2491

                    #10
                    Re: TMQ fires off a shot at play calling and management

                    kinda strikes me as a goofy stat line argument from this guy. he just looked at the box score and some published stats. it's not like he broke down the play and said we passed vs 7 in the box on first down when we should have ran. if they are leaving guys uncovered (like sammy on the pick 6 play) you have to call the pass and the qb has to not be horrible.

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                    • IlluminatusUIUC
                      Registered User
                      • Sep 2012
                      • 8966

                      #11
                      Re: TMQ fires off a shot at play calling and management

                      I used to respect Easterbrook, but he clearly doesn't do research.

                      Like this:
                      The New England Patriots have the most victories in the past decade, and the Patriots don't engage in mega-trades. Their transactions usually are the reverse of mega-trades, surrendering high-profile draft picks to accumulate midrange choices.
                      They also dealt away their Pro Bowl guard for a bag of magic beans and promptly saw their interior OL collapse.

                      The Seattle Seahawks just won the Super Bowl, and did it through gradual, painstaking accumulation of talent, not some panicky trade-up.
                      Umm a 1st, 3rd, and 7th for Percy Harvin slip your mind there? It's easy to forget, it's not like he was a superstar player at the Super Bowl or anything.

                      The Falcons gave up two first-rounders, a second-round pick and two fourth-round selections for Julio Jones, while Jacksonville traded first- and second-round selections for Gabbert. Jones is a star, though for the price, Atlanta expected a Super Bowl invitation.
                      Yeah Jones only stomped a mudhole in the league's #2 defense in the NFC Championship game, too bad he didn't stop Matt Ryan from two 2nd half turnovers.

                      He does stuff like this all the time. He once criticized the Cardinals for not running the ball more in the playoff game where the Packers made their epic comeback a few years ago. Of course, he neglected to mention that Kurt Warner was playing arguably the all-time best game by a quarterback. Yeah, take the ball out of hid hands and give it to Beanie Wells!


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                      • OpIv37
                        Acid Douching Asswipe
                        • Sep 2002
                        • 101230

                        #12
                        Re: TMQ fires off a shot at play calling and management

                        Originally posted by Buffalogic View Post
                        FO not responsible for idiot Hackett's game plan.
                        They're responsible for hiring him in the first place, which is worse.
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                        • Buffalogic
                          Rumblin' Stumblin' Bumblin'
                          • Feb 2006
                          • 5345

                          #13
                          Re: TMQ fires off a shot at play calling and management

                          Originally posted by OpIv37 View Post
                          They're responsible for hiring him in the first place, which is worse.
                          Marrone is responsible for hiring him. FO isn't to blame for everything, they aren't going to micromanage every single hiring move.

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                          • OpIv37
                            Acid Douching Asswipe
                            • Sep 2002
                            • 101230

                            #14
                            Re: TMQ fires off a shot at play calling and management

                            Originally posted by Buffalogic View Post
                            Marrone is responsible for hiring him. FO isn't to blame for everything, they aren't going to micromanage every single hiring move.
                            And you don't think they asked Marrone who he would hire for coordinators in the interview?

                            No, they shouldn't micromanage. But there is no need to if they pick competent people in the first place.
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                            • Fletch
                              Registered User
                              • May 2007
                              • 3166

                              #15
                              Re: TMQ fires off a shot at play calling and management

                              Originally posted by stuckincincy View Post
                              Thanks for the chart. Slim picking for this years' wr crop regarding the qbs tossing to them, after 4 games into the season. Cooks has NO with Brees, J. Brown has Palmer who is injured, Matthews has the up and down Foles. The rest of the qbs - eh.
                              Yeah, exactly.

                              - - - Updated - - -

                              Originally posted by Homegrown View Post
                              I applaud the Bills coaches for calling the game the way they did ...it exposed EJ for the player he is - not very good - and the coaches had to accept it ... now we can move on from the EJ era.
                              Finally. It never should have begun.
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                              Post #46

                              Originally posted by Yasgur's Farm
                              (Moderator) My name's Max Yasgur, and I approve of this post.
                              Originally Posted by pmoon6
                              The idea that you "won't settle" presumes that you have some kind of control. Delusional thinking at best for a supposed fan of a spectators' sport. Your way to deal with it is to constantly ***** and denigrate any move, any result concerning the team even if it's positive because you don't want your whittle feewings hurt again. It's a protection mechanism.

                              You shroud your childish approach in a vale of pompous, intellectual garbage in an attempt to look smart and "real". You over-analyze even minute points and manipulate statistics to fit your negative view of the team. Again, to feel good about yourself and to protect from getting hurt.

                              Of course, the criticisms are obviously from someone who has no understanding of the team concept or what it takes to excel at athletics.

                              The true "realist" understands that they have no control of what happens on the field or behind the closed doors at One Bills' Drive, so they do the prudent thing for a spectator. They enjoy the games on Sunday with family and friends, cheer for their team and realize that it's just entertainment.
                              ------

                              "I was an integral part in the drafting process of EJ Manuel," Whaley said Thursday on NFL Network's Total Access. "I was the person that handled the draft process and setting up the board."

                              "We are committed. I want you to believe me when I say that," Whaley said of building around the second-year quarterback, per The Buffalo News. "I always tell you guys that I'll never say never because I don't want to paint myself in a corner, but when I do say something, I do it and I mean it and I try to fulfill it."

                              "We believe the addition of Sammy is going to be instant impact, not only to our quarterback, but to what our offensive coordinator can come up with game-plan wise and how defenses attack us," Whaley said.

                              Whaley on EJ Manuel: "We think we got a gem in this guy." (2:30)

                              "And as Mark says, if in three years maybe he's not [our quarterback of the future], then I'll be sitting there saying 'hey guys', .... anybody got a job for me?" - Doug Whaley

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