#7 comp pct
#6 yds/att
#2 longest pass
#9 yds/game
#6 qb rtg
Is Orton a top ten qb? Can he keep it up?
#7 comp pct
#6 yds/att
#2 longest pass
#9 yds/game
#6 qb rtg
Is Orton a top ten qb? Can he keep it up?
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Those #'s would be better if Sammy wasn't showboating.Originally Posted by Spartacus
actually I dont see how 5 yards and a td change a single ranking there ...
djjimkelly (10-28-2014),The last buffalo fan (10-28-2014)
Just out of curiosity, what were EJ's rankings through 4 games?
It'll be hard to keep up that pace but I'd settle for Top 15 #'s, given the surrounding talent
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gebobs (11-03-2014)
An extra td and 5 more yds might have been enough to push him ahead of Brady. Orton's rtg is 104.0 and Brady's is 104.7
TacklingDummy (10-28-2014),WagonCircler (10-28-2014)
Those are very good stats, especially considering how mediocre the offensive line is, and the poor protection Orton gets. Watkins who'd been almost invisible in the games where Manuel was QB is now looking like the real deal.
I'm no Marrone fan - but he made a gutsy and smart decision to bench Manuele and play Orton. If that had been Chan Gailey, or Dick Jauron, I'd wager they'd have stuck with Manuel for the entire season.
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Meathead (10-28-2014),The last buffalo fan (10-28-2014)
I don't see him ever being a top 10 qb, but can he be a good NFL starter?? The answer is yes. To think that he's done what he's done with a very shaky offensive line is saying a lot.
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notacon (11-03-2014),POTLAND PSILBYLO (11-02-2014)
You do realize that three of those measures skyrocketed after the Jets game, right?
His rating went up over 10 points, his two longest passes were in that game, and his YPA in the Jets game was twice what it was over his first three games. It was 14 vs. the Jets, 7.2 prior to that. 8.0 now.
He also has more sacks per game than any other QB or team this season.
Just about everyone seems to suggest that sacks are huge on D, but if that's the case then shouldn't they be equally huge for defenses that play us?
He's on pace to come close to Bledsoe's team record for sacks allowed but it took Bledsoe 16 games, Orton's pace would achieve it in 13. Saving Orton is that he can only play 12 games. At the rate he's going he'll lead the league in sacks at the end of this season though.
Is that relevant?
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The idea that you "won't settle" presumes that you have some kind of control. Delusional thinking at best for a supposed fan of a spectators' sport. Your way to deal with it is to constantly ***** and denigrate any move, any result concerning the team even if it's positive because you don't want your whittle feewings hurt again. It's a protection mechanism.
You shroud your childish approach in a vale of pompous, intellectual garbage in an attempt to look smart and "real". You over-analyze even minute points and manipulate statistics to fit your negative view of the team. Again, to feel good about yourself and to protect from getting hurt.
Of course, the criticisms are obviously from someone who has no understanding of the team concept or what it takes to excel at athletics.
The true "realist" understands that they have no control of what happens on the field or behind the closed doors at One Bills' Drive, so they do the prudent thing for a spectator. They enjoy the games on Sunday with family and friends, cheer for their team and realize that it's just entertainment.
"I was an integral part in the drafting process of EJ Manuel," Whaley said Thursday on NFL Network's Total Access. "I was the person that handled the draft process and setting up the board."
"We are committed. I want you to believe me when I say that," Whaley said of building around the second-year quarterback, per The Buffalo News. "I always tell you guys that I'll never say never because I don't want to paint myself in a corner, but when I do say something, I do it and I mean it and I try to fulfill it."
"We believe the addition of Sammy is going to be instant impact, not only to our quarterback, but to what our offensive coordinator can come up with game-plan wise and how defenses attack us," Whaley said.
Whaley on EJ Manuel: "We think we got a gem in this guy." (2:30)
"And as Mark says, if in three years maybe he's not [our quarterback of the future], then I'll be sitting there saying 'hey guys', .... anybody got a job for me?" - Doug Whaley
Still early. I'm excited on the quick turnaround but there is a lot of football left and the Bills have some heavy teams on the schedule still. In fact, the analysis won't truly settle in with Orton until close to the end of next season.
those metrics the OP cited are going to be better for a guy who's played 4 games than the QB's who've played 8. That being said, he's thrown for a lot of yards and is top 30 QB despite playing half the number of games of the guys ahead of him. If he had the same production in first 4 games (unlikely since he joined the team in the last week so it'd have been hard to run the offense at all in the first week or 2) he'd be in the top6 of QBs.
I think he'll regress some and be closer to his .500 average, 60% completion qb that he's always been. but i hope he isn't. it'd be fun it he can only get better and carry the team for a long run. but it seems like a long shot.
i still think, regardless of his stats, he's an enjoyable guy to root for.
Doesn't that make his stats more impressive? He's under pressure a lot but still playing well.
the wysian logic. really blows.
better days (10-28-2014),Historian (10-29-2014),zone (10-29-2014)
Well, on NFL Network yesterday, it showed Orton in the top 10, I think #7 if I remember right.
Was high on the fantasy list for those into that.
The question is can he keep it up?
With the weapons he has on this team, I think he can but I won't bet the house on it.
It shows our line sucks, not that Orton isn't a top ten QB like you imply based on this. In fact, it is an argument in favor of Orton if anything.
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better days (10-28-2014),djjimkelly (10-28-2014),The last buffalo fan (10-28-2014)
Why would they be better for a guy who played 4 games as opposed to 8? That is simply not true. It could just as easily be worse.
That said, the Vikings, the Pats and the Lions are all TOP 5 in passing defense. TOP FIVE. The Jets are 14th.
Botttomline... if Orton is top 10 vs good defenses in his first 4 starts in a new system with all new wide receivers and behind the crappiest O-line in the NFL.... I think we got a damn good bargain.
Typ0 (10-28-2014)
He is enjoyable to root for.
He's also hardly the weak link on a team with the issues that we do have.
GvilleBills (10-28-2014)
hes no kelly holcomb or nick rolovich but he'll do
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Not sure that I was implying anything other than his stats from the Jets game skews everything.
Think about it, in the Detroit game 308 yards passing, 17 offensive points, 9 from FGs. 1 passing TD.
In the New England game 299 passing, 1 passing TD, 22 offensive points.
In the Minnesota game 283 passing, 2 passing TDs, 17 offensive points.
In the Jets game, 238 passing, 4 passing TDs, 43 offensive points.
Let me ask you a question, would you start Orton every week in FFL? I mean if he's a top-10 QB he would and should be starting on most ffl rosters, right?
Otherwise I was just posting some data and asking some questions. Apparently no one seems to think that when we get sacked that it means much, but many of those same people will build a case out of a defense being tops because of sacks. I don't see how that can possibly be. Either sacks matter or they don't. But they would have to have a similar impact both ways.
it could be worse. my point is that those metrics can be skewed either way with a smaller sample size. i think his total yards being high is impressive. I think his targets of 8-10 receivers a game is impressive. i think 3-1 is impressive.
but i am not sold until i see the sesaon. he could be worse, he could be better. the 10 year record is that he tends to even out. if he breaks out in a full season (or 12 games in his case) and takes us to the playoffs, i'm fully on board for a 3-4 year contract, front loaded to make him a starter. i wouldnt do a longer stretch because i would be afraid he'd regress back to his norms.
yordad (10-29-2014)
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