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Those are very good stats, especially considering how mediocre the offensive line is, and the poor protection Orton gets. Watkins who'd been almost invisible in the games where Manuel was QB is now looking like the real deal.
I'm no Marrone fan - but he made a gutsy and smart decision to bench Manuele and play Orton. If that had been Chan Gailey, or Dick Jauron, I'd wager they'd have stuck with Manuel for the entire season.
This lowly cart.... it hits harder and has a higher yards
per play average than the Bills' offense!
I don't see him ever being a top 10 qb, but can he be a good NFL starter?? The answer is yes. To think that he's done what he's done with a very shaky offensive line is saying a lot.
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You do realize that three of those measures skyrocketed after the Jets game, right?
His rating went up over 10 points, his two longest passes were in that game, and his YPA in the Jets game was twice what it was over his first three games. It was 14 vs. the Jets, 7.2 prior to that. 8.0 now.
He also has more sacks per game than any other QB or team this season.
Just about everyone seems to suggest that sacks are huge on D, but if that's the case then shouldn't they be equally huge for defenses that play us?
He's on pace to come close to Bledsoe's team record for sacks allowed but it took Bledsoe 16 games, Orton's pace would achieve it in 13. Saving Orton is that he can only play 12 games. At the rate he's going he'll lead the league in sacks at the end of this season though.
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Originally Posted by pmoon6
The idea that you "won't settle" presumes that you have some kind of control. Delusional thinking at best for a supposed fan of a spectators' sport. Your way to deal with it is to constantly ***** and denigrate any move, any result concerning the team even if it's positive because you don't want your whittle feewings hurt again. It's a protection mechanism.
You shroud your childish approach in a vale of pompous, intellectual garbage in an attempt to look smart and "real". You over-analyze even minute points and manipulate statistics to fit your negative view of the team. Again, to feel good about yourself and to protect from getting hurt.
Of course, the criticisms are obviously from someone who has no understanding of the team concept or what it takes to excel at athletics.
The true "realist" understands that they have no control of what happens on the field or behind the closed doors at One Bills' Drive, so they do the prudent thing for a spectator. They enjoy the games on Sunday with family and friends, cheer for their team and realize that it's just entertainment.
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"I was an integral part in the drafting process of EJ Manuel," Whaley said Thursday on NFL Network's Total Access. "I was the person that handled the draft process and setting up the board."
"We are committed. I want you to believe me when I say that," Whaley said of building around the second-year quarterback, per The Buffalo News. "I always tell you guys that I'll never say never because I don't want to paint myself in a corner, but when I do say something, I do it and I mean it and I try to fulfill it."
"We believe the addition of Sammy is going to be instant impact, not only to our quarterback, but to what our offensive coordinator can come up with game-plan wise and how defenses attack us," Whaley said.
Whaley on EJ Manuel: "We think we got a gem in this guy." (2:30)
"And as Mark says, if in three years maybe he's not [our quarterback of the future], then I'll be sitting there saying 'hey guys', .... anybody got a job for me?" - Doug Whaley
Still early. I'm excited on the quick turnaround but there is a lot of football left and the Bills have some heavy teams on the schedule still. In fact, the analysis won't truly settle in with Orton until close to the end of next season.
those metrics the OP cited are going to be better for a guy who's played 4 games than the QB's who've played 8. That being said, he's thrown for a lot of yards and is top 30 QB despite playing half the number of games of the guys ahead of him. If he had the same production in first 4 games (unlikely since he joined the team in the last week so it'd have been hard to run the offense at all in the first week or 2) he'd be in the top6 of QBs.
I think he'll regress some and be closer to his .500 average, 60% completion qb that he's always been. but i hope he isn't. it'd be fun it he can only get better and carry the team for a long run. but it seems like a long shot.
i still think, regardless of his stats, he's an enjoyable guy to root for.
You do realize that three of those measures skyrocketed after the Jets game, right?
His rating went up over 10 points, his two longest passes were in that game, and his YPA in the Jets game was twice what it was over his first three games. It was 14 vs. the Jets, 7.2 prior to that. 8.0 now.
He also has more sacks per game than any other QB or team this season.
Just about everyone seems to suggest that sacks are huge on D, but if that's the case then shouldn't they be equally huge for defenses that play us?
He's on pace to come close to Bledsoe's team record for sacks allowed but it took Bledsoe 16 games, Orton's pace would achieve it in 13. Saving Orton is that he can only play 12 games. At the rate he's going he'll lead the league in sacks at the end of this season though.
Is that relevant?
Doesn't that make his stats more impressive? He's under pressure a lot but still playing well.
You do realize that three of those measures skyrocketed after the Jets game, right?
His rating went up over 10 points, his two longest passes were in that game, and his YPA in the Jets game was twice what it was over his first three games. It was 14 vs. the Jets, 7.2 prior to that. 8.0 now.
He also has more sacks per game than any other QB or team this season.
Just about everyone seems to suggest that sacks are huge on D, but if that's the case then shouldn't they be equally huge for defenses that play us?
He's on pace to come close to Bledsoe's team record for sacks allowed but it took Bledsoe 16 games, Orton's pace would achieve it in 13. Saving Orton is that he can only play 12 games. At the rate he's going he'll lead the league in sacks at the end of this season though.
You do realize that three of those measures skyrocketed after the Jets game, right?
His rating went up over 10 points, his two longest passes were in that game, and his YPA in the Jets game was twice what it was over his first three games. It was 14 vs. the Jets, 7.2 prior to that. 8.0 now.
He also has more sacks per game than any other QB or team this season.
Just about everyone seems to suggest that sacks are huge on D, but if that's the case then shouldn't they be equally huge for defenses that play us?
He's on pace to come close to Bledsoe's team record for sacks allowed but it took Bledsoe 16 games, Orton's pace would achieve it in 13. Saving Orton is that he can only play 12 games. At the rate he's going he'll lead the league in sacks at the end of this season though.
Is that relevant?
It shows our line sucks, not that Orton isn't a top ten QB like you imply based on this. In fact, it is an argument in favor of Orton if anything.
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