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  • Fletch
    Registered User
    • May 2007
    • 3166
    #1

    This was the Jets

    Look, we needed this game given the snow. The D played lights out ball, at least the front 7 since neither Vick nor Smith was ever much of a threat downfield. Offensively we were due and lit things up. It was fantastic to see Ford Field heavy with Bills fans that could make the trip.

    But this was the Jets, it's hardly a benchmark game. The real test is the rest of the season.

    Right now there's so much overreaction to a win over a pathetic team that's probably going to be drafting 3rd only because they don't play Jax and are clearly one of the worst teams in the league that will likely see a new owner and head coach after the season.

    We have four very difficult games left against teams the likes of which we've been unable to beat this season so far, right now all four of which are slated to make the playoffs.

    Let's save the "our defense is great" comments for those games and if our defense is really great then it will prove out that way. I'm sorry, I just can't buy into this notion that our D is great simply because we stomped on one of the most offensively challenged teams in the league.

    Have we sunk so low as fans that we need to embellish a win over a team like the Jets, amidst our inability to beat any teams with above average offenses otherwise?

    What happened to the days of us not being satisfied unless we could beat the best teams out there, defensively handle the best offenses out there, and dominate the best defenses out there? We suck this season at doing that and unless we do it coming up against those kinds of teams, I'm simply not impressed.

    This overreaction is half sickening.
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    Post #46

    Originally posted by Yasgur's Farm
    (Moderator) My name's Max Yasgur, and I approve of this post.
    Originally Posted by pmoon6
    The idea that you "won't settle" presumes that you have some kind of control. Delusional thinking at best for a supposed fan of a spectators' sport. Your way to deal with it is to constantly ***** and denigrate any move, any result concerning the team even if it's positive because you don't want your whittle feewings hurt again. It's a protection mechanism.

    You shroud your childish approach in a vale of pompous, intellectual garbage in an attempt to look smart and "real". You over-analyze even minute points and manipulate statistics to fit your negative view of the team. Again, to feel good about yourself and to protect from getting hurt.

    Of course, the criticisms are obviously from someone who has no understanding of the team concept or what it takes to excel at athletics.

    The true "realist" understands that they have no control of what happens on the field or behind the closed doors at One Bills' Drive, so they do the prudent thing for a spectator. They enjoy the games on Sunday with family and friends, cheer for their team and realize that it's just entertainment.
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    "I was an integral part in the drafting process of EJ Manuel," Whaley said Thursday on NFL Network's Total Access. "I was the person that handled the draft process and setting up the board."

    "We are committed. I want you to believe me when I say that," Whaley said of building around the second-year quarterback, per The Buffalo News. "I always tell you guys that I'll never say never because I don't want to paint myself in a corner, but when I do say something, I do it and I mean it and I try to fulfill it."

    "We believe the addition of Sammy is going to be instant impact, not only to our quarterback, but to what our offensive coordinator can come up with game-plan wise and how defenses attack us," Whaley said.

    Whaley on EJ Manuel: "We think we got a gem in this guy." (2:30)

    "And as Mark says, if in three years maybe he's not [our quarterback of the future], then I'll be sitting there saying 'hey guys', .... anybody got a job for me?" - Doug Whaley

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  • trapezeus
    Legendary Zoner
    • Oct 2004
    • 19525
    #2
    Re: This was the Jets

    this post is entirely sickening.
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    • Fletch
      Registered User
      • May 2007
      • 3166
      #3
      Re: This was the Jets

      I can't believe how low our standards and expectations as fans have sunken in 20 years.

      We can't do **** against any above average offenses. Offensively this is one of the worst teams in years. Oh sure, we can hang 40 points on the Jets but trying to crack that 20-point barrier in any other game is the challenge of the ages.
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      Post #46

      Originally posted by Yasgur's Farm
      (Moderator) My name's Max Yasgur, and I approve of this post.
      Originally Posted by pmoon6
      The idea that you "won't settle" presumes that you have some kind of control. Delusional thinking at best for a supposed fan of a spectators' sport. Your way to deal with it is to constantly ***** and denigrate any move, any result concerning the team even if it's positive because you don't want your whittle feewings hurt again. It's a protection mechanism.

      You shroud your childish approach in a vale of pompous, intellectual garbage in an attempt to look smart and "real". You over-analyze even minute points and manipulate statistics to fit your negative view of the team. Again, to feel good about yourself and to protect from getting hurt.

      Of course, the criticisms are obviously from someone who has no understanding of the team concept or what it takes to excel at athletics.

      The true "realist" understands that they have no control of what happens on the field or behind the closed doors at One Bills' Drive, so they do the prudent thing for a spectator. They enjoy the games on Sunday with family and friends, cheer for their team and realize that it's just entertainment.
      ------

      "I was an integral part in the drafting process of EJ Manuel," Whaley said Thursday on NFL Network's Total Access. "I was the person that handled the draft process and setting up the board."

      "We are committed. I want you to believe me when I say that," Whaley said of building around the second-year quarterback, per The Buffalo News. "I always tell you guys that I'll never say never because I don't want to paint myself in a corner, but when I do say something, I do it and I mean it and I try to fulfill it."

      "We believe the addition of Sammy is going to be instant impact, not only to our quarterback, but to what our offensive coordinator can come up with game-plan wise and how defenses attack us," Whaley said.

      Whaley on EJ Manuel: "We think we got a gem in this guy." (2:30)

      "And as Mark says, if in three years maybe he's not [our quarterback of the future], then I'll be sitting there saying 'hey guys', .... anybody got a job for me?" - Doug Whaley

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      • Joe Fo Sho
        Making Spirits Bright
        • Mar 2006
        • 6194
        #4
        Re: This was the Jets

        Originally posted by Fletch View Post
        I can't believe how low our standards and expectations as fans have sunken in 20 years.

        We can't do **** against any above average offenses. Offensively this is one of the worst teams in years. Oh sure, we can hang 40 points on the Jets but trying to crack that 20-point barrier in any other game is the challenge of the ages.
        There's a middle ground though, right? You don't have to be on one end of the spectrum or the other. It's doesn't have to be all doom and gloom, and it doesn't have to be all rainbows and ice cream. People can be satisfied with a solid win, and they can be critical when we underperform. This team has been sub-par for the last 15 years, what's wrong with being happy and excited when our team just played the most dominant game in recent memory?
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        • Night Train
          Retired - On Several Levels
          • Jul 2005
          • 33117
          #5
          Re: This was the Jets

          The D is good. The lost opportunities against Houston and KC were the lack of an O.

          I know why our record isn't better. It's the playcalling and execution (lack of) of the O.

          The D has been excellent most of the time.
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          • OpIv37
            Acid Douching Asswipe
            • Sep 2002
            • 101303
            #6
            Re: This was the Jets

            We played a bad team.

            We beat them soundly, which is what is supposed to happen against bad teams. What more do you want?

            Yes, eventually we need to be able to beat the good teams but a) we can only play the team on the schedule in any given week and b) we are not going to beat the good teams until we can consistently trounce the bad teams.
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            • kelly2reed4six
              Registered User
              • Dec 2008
              • 460
              #7
              Re: This was the Jets

              Put your *****ish ways aside for a day and enjoy a great win.
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              • Novacane
                Registered User
                • Jul 2002
                • 42369
                #8
                Re: This was the Jets

                This is why no one likes you Fletch! You make things up to fit your narrative! Who is over reacting? You take people being happy about the win and turn it into we all think the Bills are going to the Super Bowl.
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                • Ginger Vitis
                  Registered User
                  • Feb 2009
                  • 3451
                  #9
                  Re: This was the Jets

                  As of last Tuesday... Fletchies favourite website.. Football Outsiders had the Bills defense rated 5th in the NFL.. And after last nights performance the metric numbers FO uses will improve the Bills defensive stats
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                  • kscdogbillsfan1221
                    Registered User
                    • Nov 2007
                    • 5652
                    #10
                    Re: This was the Jets

                    92 yards rushing allowed on the 5th ranked run offense in the league.. just saying
                    I came.
                    I saw.
                    I conquered.
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                    • BillsOwnAll
                      My IQ Test results came back negative
                      • Oct 2002
                      • 5502
                      #11
                      Re: This was the Jets

                      Who's overreacting??? Do you love trolling for comments? There was maybe 2 threads started after the game the whole night. Sorry you hate when the bills win.
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                      • Fletch
                        Registered User
                        • May 2007
                        • 3166
                        #12
                        Re: This was the Jets

                        Originally posted by Joe Fo Sho View Post
                        There's a middle ground though, right? You don't have to be on one end of the spectrum or the other. It's doesn't have to be all doom and gloom, and it doesn't have to be all rainbows and ice cream. People can be satisfied with a solid win, and they can be critical when we underperform. This team has been sub-par for the last 15 years, what's wrong with being happy and excited when our team just played the most dominant game in recent memory?
                        That's a good question Joe, about the middle ground!

                        I guess that depends upon your expectations Joe. For 20 years now I've been desiring a team that is actually capable of competing with the best like our '90s Bills were. To date since then we've not had anything even close to that.

                        What we have had is opinionated fluff that often pumps this team up to levels that it does not deserve



                        Originally posted by Joe Fo Sho View Post
                        what's wrong with being happy and excited when our team just played the most dominant game in recent memory?
                        There's nothing wrong with it. I was happy and excited last night.

                        But then using that game, the most dominant game in recent memory, really since just about a month ago when we pummeled the exact same team in similar fashion, to then develop a baseline or something akin to that, much less ranting about how our D is great when we were manhandled by Miami a couple of weeks ago, were absolutely decimated by the Pats, and haven't had, by sheer chance, had to play any of the top-15 offenses in the league to date, makes no sense whatsoever.

                        This was one of two very winnable games left on our schedule and one that had we lost would have been an embarassment, even under the circumstances in Detroit, more so had it been at home. But at the same time, clearly there was an emotional edge to help overcome the week in Buffalo due to all the pent up energy that I think ultimately worked in our favor, presumably you would agree.

                        So again, using that game as anything other than what it was, a huge win over a terribly poor team that's amongst the worst few in the league would be remiss. Especially since I've pointed out that against the Jets, a now 2-9 team that's beaten the Raiders as one of their two wins, we've averaged 40.5 ppg, whereas elsewhere we've averaged 17.4 ppg.

                        All this nonsense about our D being great hasn't been proven. Why, because we just held the hapless Jets to 3 points? When we were once again embarrassed by the Pats, worse than we were last season? I'm not seeing it. When we play the Pats and teams like them better I might start to get somewhat excited. We're going to find out what happens then and I'll bet you anything that this forum turns on this D and team during that stretch for that very reason.

                        I don't think that this D is anywhere near as good as we are hearing here. We'll find out though, very soon. If our D is really that great then we should have no trouble at all holding the Packers, Pats, and Broncos to less than their season averages. If that does not happen I think that it's high time for some realizations to start kicking in here. Wouldn't you agree? Or getting back to that perspective thing, would you be satisfied to just have our D be "great" against below average offenses while being below average against above average offenses? Because that won't cut it for me.
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                        Post #46

                        Originally posted by Yasgur's Farm
                        (Moderator) My name's Max Yasgur, and I approve of this post.
                        Originally Posted by pmoon6
                        The idea that you "won't settle" presumes that you have some kind of control. Delusional thinking at best for a supposed fan of a spectators' sport. Your way to deal with it is to constantly ***** and denigrate any move, any result concerning the team even if it's positive because you don't want your whittle feewings hurt again. It's a protection mechanism.

                        You shroud your childish approach in a vale of pompous, intellectual garbage in an attempt to look smart and "real". You over-analyze even minute points and manipulate statistics to fit your negative view of the team. Again, to feel good about yourself and to protect from getting hurt.

                        Of course, the criticisms are obviously from someone who has no understanding of the team concept or what it takes to excel at athletics.

                        The true "realist" understands that they have no control of what happens on the field or behind the closed doors at One Bills' Drive, so they do the prudent thing for a spectator. They enjoy the games on Sunday with family and friends, cheer for their team and realize that it's just entertainment.
                        ------

                        "I was an integral part in the drafting process of EJ Manuel," Whaley said Thursday on NFL Network's Total Access. "I was the person that handled the draft process and setting up the board."

                        "We are committed. I want you to believe me when I say that," Whaley said of building around the second-year quarterback, per The Buffalo News. "I always tell you guys that I'll never say never because I don't want to paint myself in a corner, but when I do say something, I do it and I mean it and I try to fulfill it."

                        "We believe the addition of Sammy is going to be instant impact, not only to our quarterback, but to what our offensive coordinator can come up with game-plan wise and how defenses attack us," Whaley said.

                        Whaley on EJ Manuel: "We think we got a gem in this guy." (2:30)

                        "And as Mark says, if in three years maybe he's not [our quarterback of the future], then I'll be sitting there saying 'hey guys', .... anybody got a job for me?" - Doug Whaley

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                        • Fletch
                          Registered User
                          • May 2007
                          • 3166
                          #13
                          Re: This was the Jets

                          Originally posted by BillsOwnAll View Post
                          Sorry you hate when the bills win.
                          Not at all. I thoroughly enjoyed the game last night. I did go to bed when we hit 31 since after that it was like watching the fight scene in Cool Hand Luke.

                          But I'm sorry if I don't share the notion here that our D is great or tops simply because we beat the Jets and had a great defensive night amidst almost unanimous agreement here that the Jets, who on top of not playing for anything, showed up completely unprepared.

                          I think the bigger question becomes why people such as yourself put so much credence into such a game when we still can't beat any teams slated to make the playoffs and when we haven't beaten a single above average offensive team so far this season. Granted, we've only played one, but shouldn't that be a clue as to why our offense might be in danger of being overrated?
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                          Post #46

                          Originally posted by Yasgur's Farm
                          (Moderator) My name's Max Yasgur, and I approve of this post.
                          Originally Posted by pmoon6
                          The idea that you "won't settle" presumes that you have some kind of control. Delusional thinking at best for a supposed fan of a spectators' sport. Your way to deal with it is to constantly ***** and denigrate any move, any result concerning the team even if it's positive because you don't want your whittle feewings hurt again. It's a protection mechanism.

                          You shroud your childish approach in a vale of pompous, intellectual garbage in an attempt to look smart and "real". You over-analyze even minute points and manipulate statistics to fit your negative view of the team. Again, to feel good about yourself and to protect from getting hurt.

                          Of course, the criticisms are obviously from someone who has no understanding of the team concept or what it takes to excel at athletics.

                          The true "realist" understands that they have no control of what happens on the field or behind the closed doors at One Bills' Drive, so they do the prudent thing for a spectator. They enjoy the games on Sunday with family and friends, cheer for their team and realize that it's just entertainment.
                          ------

                          "I was an integral part in the drafting process of EJ Manuel," Whaley said Thursday on NFL Network's Total Access. "I was the person that handled the draft process and setting up the board."

                          "We are committed. I want you to believe me when I say that," Whaley said of building around the second-year quarterback, per The Buffalo News. "I always tell you guys that I'll never say never because I don't want to paint myself in a corner, but when I do say something, I do it and I mean it and I try to fulfill it."

                          "We believe the addition of Sammy is going to be instant impact, not only to our quarterback, but to what our offensive coordinator can come up with game-plan wise and how defenses attack us," Whaley said.

                          Whaley on EJ Manuel: "We think we got a gem in this guy." (2:30)

                          "And as Mark says, if in three years maybe he's not [our quarterback of the future], then I'll be sitting there saying 'hey guys', .... anybody got a job for me?" - Doug Whaley

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                          • notacon
                            Registered User
                            • Aug 2012
                            • 33071
                            #14
                            Re: This was the Jets

                            Originally posted by trapezeus View Post
                            this post is entirely sickening.

                            And 100% correct.

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                            • The King
                              Without me it's just Awe so
                              • Jun 2004
                              • 42380
                              #15
                              Re: This was the Jets

                              We swept a division rival too. Pretty fun game to watch. God forbid we enjoy anything.
                              I remember that one fateful day when Coach took me aside. I knew what was coming. "You don't have to tell me," I said. "I'm off the team, aren't I?"
                              "Well," said Coach, "you never were really ON the team. You made that uniform you're wearing out of rags and towels, and your helmet is a toy space helmet.
                              You show up at practice and then either steal the ball and make us chase you to get it back, or you try to tackle people at inappropriate times."
                              It was all                               true what he was saying. And yet, I thought something is brewing inside the head of this Coach.
                              He sees something in me, some kind of raw talent that he can                               mold. But that's when I felt the handcuffs go on.


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