When does Whaley get accountability....

[swiper]

im guessing jackson is gonna stay but idk...

mccoy
jackson
williams
brown.


williams is a much more athletic version of dixon and great on special teams like dixon, so thats probably who gets cut

Dixon was a Greg Roman 49er. Don't count on him being cut.

[emoulds80]

Dixon was a Greg Roman 49er. Don't count on him being cut.

im not counting on it, but i dont see him beating out williams and brown. younger just as big, way way faster

[swiper]

Lol, he's supposed to be "held accountable" a few days after the draft? Those knee-jerk ass-wipes online are the measuring stick?

HELP! HELP!

This is only Whaley's second draft as GM. After his first draft, the Bills had their first winning season in like ten years.

You can just as easily ask when does Whaley get some credit.

You are an idiot if you don't give these things some time. This year will tell us a lot, but this team has gone nowhere but up since Whaley became GM. I don't think that's very disputable, either.

It's so ****ing funny to see one of the self-proclaimed voices of reason give credit to Whaley for 9-7 over the head coach. It's the easy (and stupid perhaps) pov to take swings at the ex-head coach. MAYBE he was the one who knew what he was doing and everyone else was clueless. Namely Whaley. YOU don't know. Schwartz was quiet on the topic. If the Bills don't reach 9-7 then some of you idiots have a lot of back-pedaling to do.

Marrone actually coached the players.

Whaley gave you EJ Manuel (failure), Kuoandijo (failure), Richardson (failure), and sold the farm to give you Watkins. If he's not at least suspect as GM, then you don't have a clue.

[better days]

It's so ****ing funny to see one of the self-proclaimed voices of reason give credit to Whaley for 9-7 over the head coach. It's the easy (and stupid perhaps) pov to take swings at the ex-head coach. MAYBE he was the one who knew what he was doing and everyone else was clueless. Namely Whaley. YOU don't know. Schwartz was quiet on the topic. If the Bills don't reach 9-7 then some of you idiots have a lot of back-pedaling to do.

Well. Whaley & Schwartz had MUCH more to do with 9-7 than Marrone did.

I think the football world agrees with that since the best job Marrone could get was OL coach of the Jags, maybe the worst run team in the NFL.

[swiper]

Well. Whaley & Schwartz had MUCH more to do with 9-7 than Marrone did.

I think the football world agrees with that since the best job Marrone could get was OL coach of the Jags, maybe the worst run team in the NFL.

The village idiot has spoken.

[mightysimi]

Marrone was the reason Mike Williams did not have a great year last year.

Nobody can make a play from the bench.

Ask Goodwin who Marrone also refused to play.

Rex is saying Goodwin has shown the ability to be a GOOD WR.

And NOBODY is perfect including Whaley, but he is a MUCH BETTER GM than most.

I'm not sure Marrone was the problem with Williams. If he is so good, why is he unsigned?

[better days]

The village idiot has spoken.

Yeah I know, I responded to the village idiot.

[better days]

I'm not sure Marrone was the problem with Williams. If he is so good, why is he unsigned?

Because of NFL rules.

After the first game is played, a team can sign Mike without worrying about any guaranteed money.

I think teams are worried about Williams behavior, not his ability to play.

[mightysimi]

Because of NFL rules.

After the first game is played, a team can sign Mike without worrying about any guaranteed money.

I think teams are worried about Williams behavior, not his ability to play.

We just signed a guy that was suspended basically a year for bullying his team-mate and Greg Hardy was signed after choke slamming his girl on a pile of guns. If he was good, he would have a contract.

[Mace]

WTF do you know about it?

Well, I'll toss my thought out here....they wouldn't have been thinking about handing over the keys to a "czar" if they had faith in their young, well prepped GM. I think Whaley was near gone too and his saving grace was being willing to cater to Ryan's plan.

In any case Whaley should be accountable after this year. If he's a useful arm of Ryan and it works, great. If it doesn't work, he's either a tool of the marquee head coach, or a not good enough GM.

There's something to be said for the perfect marriage of GM and HC, when one is the driving force and the other complements it. I don't have a clue if this is one yet, but Pegulas won't shuck their brand new shiny Ryan over Whaley if it doesn't work well.

[BertSquirtgum]

It's so ****ing funny to see one of the self-proclaimed voices of reason give credit to Whaley for 9-7 over the head coach. It's the easy (and stupid perhaps) pov to take swings at the ex-head coach. MAYBE he was the one who knew what he was doing and everyone else was clueless. Namely Whaley. YOU don't know. Schwartz was quiet on the topic. If the Bills don't reach 9-7 then some of you idiots have a lot of back-pedaling to do.

Marrone actually coached the players.

Whaley gave you EJ Manuel (failure), Kuoandijo (failure), Richardson (failure), and sold the farm to give you Watkins. If he's not at least suspect as GM, then you don't have a clue.

Marrone apologists here. All of your posts from here on out have no value.

[Jry44]

Its was a sixth round pick for Williams. Who cares.

Exactly. I just don't get how people get so worked up over late round draft picks that have a very slim chance of making the roster to begin with....

[Mace]

Exactly. I just don't get how people get so worked up over late round draft picks that have a very slim chance of making the roster to begin with....

I wouldn't exactly say I'm "worked up", but that pick is another maybe as opposed to the certainty you spent it for nothing. By your reasoning, why even bother drafting anyone past a certain round ? Um, because people do, to get another maybe, instead of not getting another maybe.

Previous coaching staff, yes, previous, didn't even attempt to get any value from it. That's not a big indicator Marrone/Whaley were ever on the same page.

[better days]

We just signed a guy that was suspended basically a year for bullying his team-mate and Greg Hardy was signed after choke slamming his girl on a pile of guns. If he was good, he would have a contract.

Well, Incognito & Hardy are both GREAT, not good but GREAT players & both the Bills & Cowboys were desperate for their services.

[Buffalogic]

Whaley has been very good. Two whiffs in brown and ej. We needed a qb so I don't blame him there we were basically forced into ej or geno. Brown was a 4th round pick so that's not a big deal to me either. Could we have been better without Brown? Probably, but no gm is 100%.

Mike Williams was completely ruined by Marrone and his dumb personality. There's no telling what would have happened if a real headcoach were here with Williams. Marrone didnt start him, whaley was forced to cut him and then marrone quit like a month later. Lol what a dick. He was only a 6th round pick too.

His home runs have been big in hughes, seantrel, moving back to mitigate the ej pick and selecting kiko. Turning 2 acl kiko into second best rb in the league. Those are pretty huge wins.

Whaley is the man thank god we have a competent young gm. Anybody who can't see that he's the best gm we have had since Polian isn't watching the same thing I am.

[BertSquirtgum]

Yupp. Bills have a good young GM and people want to run him off. ****ing dumb.

[Mr. Pink]

Never. No one in this organization ever has accountability...until they're gone.

[Historian]

this team has gone nowhere but up since Whaley became GM.

Agreed.

There are several reasons why the team has improved over the last couple years, and he is a big one.

Would you rather have Brandon making personnel decisions again?

Sheesh!

[feldspar]

It's so ****ing funny to see one of the self-proclaimed voices of reason give credit to Whaley for 9-7 over the head coach. It's the easy (and stupid perhaps) pov to take swings at the ex-head coach. MAYBE he was the one who knew what he was doing and everyone else was clueless. Namely Whaley. YOU don't know. Schwartz was quiet on the topic. If the Bills don't reach 9-7 then some of you idiots have a lot of back-pedaling to do.

Marrone actually coached the players.

Whaley gave you EJ Manuel (failure), Kuoandijo (failure), Richardson (failure), and sold the farm to give you Watkins. If he's not at least suspect as GM, then you don't have a clue.

I said you can just as easily give Whaley some credit as you could "hold him accountable." That's what I actually said.

I also said give it time...the guy has been GM for not even two whole off-seasons yet. He's done some good things too. Everybody is going to miss on some.

[Night Train]

Agreed.

There are several reasons why the team has improved over the last couple years, and he is a big one.

Would you rather have Brandon making personnel decisions again?

Sheesh!

Whaley misses on some, like the 2nd round OT from Alabama last year ( all GM's miss a few) but I'll still give him another chance this camp. Manuel was all Nix as a gift from Ralph and Brandon out the door. Several insiders told me that to be fact.

Yet Whaley has delivered big in FA signings in the last year. Not just throwing big $$ at the obvious guys with Pegula's $$ but quickly signing others who helped us immediately with big plays (Thigpen,Rambo,Gray and more). ST's went from rock bottom back to the top.

He didn't waste a pick in a horrid QB year and did the wise thing to aquire a couple Vets ( Cassel,Taylor ) who may actually have the ability to deliver the ball to the abundance of skill players we now have.

I have zero issues with Whaley.

I had lots of issues with the Ralph (Littman)/Brandon/Nix 3 headed monster.