Bad football teams make bad football decisions.Originally Posted by OpIv37
Bad football teams make bad football decisions.
Bad but marketable football decisions. Which is why Russ Brandon gets promoted instead of being held accountable for football decisions that you admitted were bad.Bad football teams make bad football decisions.
So Russ is the one responsible for signing Rex, Clay, and trading for McCoy?
What are we paying Whaley for?
Who do you think hired Whaley? And if Whaley made those decisions, why isn't he being held accountable for them? The only possible reason is because they made the team money even though they didn't lead to wins.
Slick (09-27-2016)
You think Whaley should be fired for the McCoy trade and Clay signing? I don't even think those decisions crack his top 5 bad decisions.
But seriously, you don't think Whaley is on the hot seat right now? You can't just fire the guy immediately after he makes the decision you want to fire him for. You have to let it play out and blow up in his face first. This is probably coming in the near future.
Well, if those decisions aren't even in his top 5 bad decisions, why hasn't he been fired already? He's had plenty of time for things to blow up in his face.
Firing your GM must be bad for marketing.
Or, maybe his decisions are marketable so lack of football results and making 5 decisions worse than trading for McCoy and hosing the 2016 cap are irrelevant in an organizational culture that values the bottom line over football victories.
Slick (09-27-2016)
Or maybe he's made some good decisions, too. Ever think about stuff like that? Good stuff that people do? Maybe Pegula doesn't just harp on every bad decision he's ever made like some of us fans do and is able to see the big picture. A picture that had us at 8-8 at the end of last year with the expectations of playoffs this year. Since we haven't been mathematically eliminated yet, he's still got a job. Maybe that changes in the near future.
Well, either that or Russ Brandon is constantly running his hands through Terry's hair and telling him everything is going to be alright.
Just out of curiousity, where does the signing of Richie Incognito fall into your list of marketing/football decisions?
Was there a less marketable person on the face of the planet, besides Ray Rice, when we signed that guy?
Good decisions that don't result in wins aren't really that good.
Good decisions mixed with bad decisions result in a mediocre team. We've been mediocre for years.
Just out of curiousity, where does the signing of Richie Incognito fall into your list of marketing/football decisions?
Was there a less marketable person on the face of the planet, besides Ray Rice, when we signed that guy?
That would have been one football decision overshadowed by 3 high-profile marketing decisions. It was also a decision made out of desperation because we needed OL help and there wasn't much available.
Also, remember I said "Marketing decisions are valued over football ones." That doesn't automatically mean that no football decisions will ever be made, although you keep trying to steer the conversation that way because it's the only way your narrative works.
Last edited by OpIv37; 09-25-2016 at 09:51 PM.
I hate Russ
Slick (09-27-2016)
It's the 1st high profile coach we've signed since I can remember. Marrone, Gailey, Williams, Jauron, etc.
Was Russ in charge of those coaching hires? Why did he hire such boring names?
It's easy to claim that a football decision that didn't work out was based on something other than football.
The boring names were hired under Ralph. He protected the bottom line by spending as little as possible. Red was hired under Pegula. He protects the bottom line by investing in marketable assets. Either way, it's still a Russ Brandon culture of valuing the bottom line over winning.
And it's not "a football decision that didn't work out." the 3 biggest decisions made in the last two years all turned out to be much better for marketing than for football. You are refusing to see that this is a pattern.
So you can protect the bottom line by hiring undesirable coaches...or very desirable coaches. Is there anyone we could have hired that would not have protected the bottom line?
Even if we hired a great coach, we would have protected the bottom line by winning and getting to the playoffs. Who do you hire that ruins the bottom line?
What I'm refusing to do is lump the last 2 years under Pegula to the last 20 years under Ralph.
If we had hired a great coach, we wouldn't be having this discussion because the team would be winning and would have a healthy bottom line. But we don't. We either hire no name coaches to save money or marketable coaches to make money. Either way, the bottom line is healthy while the team still sucks.
You shouldn't lump the last two years under Pegula to the previous 20 Ralph. You should lump the last 2 years under Brandon with the previous 8 years under Brandon because it's the same ****. Garbage on the field but no one is held accountable because the bottom line is healthy. The only thing that changed when Pegula took over was the method of keeping the bottom line healthy.
And for that matter, I don't know why you're even bringing up the previous 20 years when I've been talking about 3
Decisions made AFTER Pegula. You sure deflect a lot.
Last edited by OpIv37; 09-26-2016 at 12:25 PM.
Slick (09-27-2016)
Pegula has hired 1 coach, that's not a pattern. The Bills have hired 1 marketable coach in the last decade, that's not a pattern.
I'll ask it again, what hire would have ruined the bottom line?
If you just talk about the last 2 years, how many moves have been marketing based versus football based? Here are some moves we made.
Rex hired
LeSean trade/extension
Clay signing
Tyrod extension
Dareus extension
Incognito signing/extension
Glenn extension
Whaley extension
Roman firing
Hughes extension
Franchised Gilmore
Cut Karlos Williams
Signed Reggie Bush
Terminated the contract of Jim Schwartz
Kyle Williams extension
Signed Percy Harvin
Released Mario Williams
Released Fred Jackson
These are only a small fraction of our transactions, but I think these are probably the biggest, in no particular order. I probably missed some, too.
Where's the pattern?
The 3 biggest moves were all bad football moves but good marketing moves. I don't know why you are refusing to acknowledge that pattern.
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