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    Bledsoe is not today’s QB

    Last week I took Secrets of an NFL Scout, a book by the late Tony Razzano, and gave you Part 1 of a scrumptious soufflé of insights into the specific qualities that make good NFL players. It focused on defense. This week, I focus on offense and examine five Bills, just in time for training camp at St. John Fisher.

    Quarterbacks

    A quarterback needs arm strength and must have good throwing velocity. He needs to deliver the deep ball fast and accurately. He should have escapability --- a feel for when to step into the pocket and throw or when to shuffle and buy time. He has to read a play on the run, and should have a quick set-up, which is the time it takes to receive the snap, drop back, and throw.

    On short throws, he should be precise and have a high completion percentage. He needs to easily locate secondary receivers, and must have good judgment and pocket poise.

    http://www.rochester-citynews.com/gb...oid=oid%3A2823

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    Was just waiting for someone to post the article. Let the horse beating begin!

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    Originally posted by saviorbledsoe
    Was just waiting for someone to post the article. Let the horse beating begin!
    Sorry man I'm just posting the news.

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    I do disagree however that Bledsoe isn't good at play action him and Ben Coates would thrive off that every year. They say Bledsoe has gotten slower with hsi movemenets well he was never fast to begin with so I'm not sure how much of adifference there is now.

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    Not your fault. Just the numbnuts who couldnt have the smarts and imagination to come up with something better to write about than yesterdays news. I wonder if a certain negative nancy finally got a real writing job?????? :)

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    Originally posted by The Spaz
    I do disagree however that Bledsoe isn't good at play action him and Ben Coates would thrive off that every year. They say Bledsoe has gotten slower with hsi movemenets well he was never fast to begin with so I'm not sure how much of adifference there is now.
    he looked a little slow later in the year last year but that could have been that he was CONCUSSED! I think some people forget that Moulds and Henry werent the only injuries.

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    I'm not as in love with Bledsoe as some people, but that whole article was terrible.
    I only drink when I'm alone or with others.

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    I agree. As articles go, that was a pathetic attempt at writing.

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    Mark Campbell said that we didn't have one play action in the entire playbook last season. That means that this article is partly based on a few years ago. Bledsoe also made a name for himself as a QB because of play action and arm strength. Don't get me wrong, the guy also has some very notable faults, but the article loses validity when it discounts things the player is obviously good at.

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    bledsoe known for his playaction,good lord im gonna take that as a joke-CAUSE IT REALLY HAD TO BE.

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    Originally posted by bledslow
    bledsoe known for his playaction,good lord im gonna take that as a joke-CAUSE IT REALLY HAD TO BE.
    No it's a fact as 5 of us in this thread seem to recall it.

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    Originally posted by saviorbledsoe
    Not your fault. Just the numbnuts who couldnt have the smarts and imagination to come up with something better to write about than yesterdays news. I wonder if a certain negative nancy finally got a real writing job?????? :)
    Why is it always wys when someone writes a non-Drew worshipping article?

    This article, albeit short, is very accurate:

    1. Drew IS slow and has gotten slower. Fact.
    2. Drew is NOT a very accurate passer (57%). Fact.
    3. Drew does NOT show very good poise in the pocket. Fact.
    4. Drew has ZERO escapability. Fact.
    5. Drew has a strong arm. Fact

    As for play action, the author nailed that as well:

    "Watch Jets QB Chad Pennington to see how fakes should work."

    100% agree.

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    I like Drew, but not enough to have a great deal of bias. If it works out..good, if not..he's gone anyway. I don't like the "Drew worship" articles either. The problem is even worse on the other side, though. People are blinded by media hype, but others have to make constant remarks, articles, etc. that just continuously beat the crap out of him. That's just as bad. It's like these people that are voting for Kerry because they don't like Bush. It's the "anybody but him" thing that kills me. How about "why the alternative is better?" That's what I'd like to see from both sides. I've said it before...Bledsoe has some serious weaknesses...no doubt about it. There are some things he does well too. This is year 3, so it's do or die for him. It actually works out well for us because the alternative isn't quite ready according the people much closer to him than I am.

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    Ted - I agree that there has been a sentiment from people (including me) that "anybody" would be better than Drew. I was always of the mindset that we could get a journeyman vet at less than half his cost to perform just as well. But anyway, since we now have our future in JP (hopefully), it is just a matter of when not if we will get better.

    IMO, the primary reasons for the frustrations are cost and time.

    Cost - he is and never was worth the insane amount of cash we paid and are still paying him.

    Time - we've been watching the QB position rot since Kelly left in '96 and it's time to make changes.

    This is why many get frustrated with the fact that Drew is still behind center. We're tired of being weak at that position and paying through the nose at the same time. You wouldn't see all these articles if this were about another position on the team, or if it was about a journeyman QB making $1M. You see these articles because of Drew's "mirage" of being an elite QB, while not performing like one.

    Anyway, not to worry. It will all be over next year. The 3 year Tour of Drew will become just a memory, much like the memory of all the other failed QBs since Kelly left.

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    Originally posted by Mr. Cynical
    Ted - I agree that there has been a sentiment from people (including me) that "anybody" would be better than Drew. I was always of the mindset that we could get a journeyman vet at less than half his cost to perform just as well. But anyway, since we now have our future in JP (hopefully), it is just a matter of when not if we will get better.

    IMO, the primary reasons for the frustrations are cost and time.

    Cost - he is and never was worth the insane amount of cash we paid and are still paying him.

    Time - we've been watching the QB position rot since Kelly left in '96 and it's time to make changes.

    This is why many get frustrated with the fact that Drew is still behind center. We're tired of being weak at that position and paying through the nose at the same time. You wouldn't see all these articles if this were about another position on the team, or if it was about a journeyman QB making $1M. You see these articles because of Drew's "mirage" of being an elite QB, while not performing like one.

    Anyway, not to worry. It will all be over next year. The 3 year Tour of Drew will become just a memory, much like the memory of all the other failed QBs since Kelly left.
    We'll see.

    Tom Donahoe, Tom Modrak, Mike Mularkey, Tom Clements, and Sam Wyche all seem to think that in the right situation Drew will succeed.

    And the truth is that Drew is pretty much the same QB he has always been. An immobile strong armed pocket-passer. And in the right system with good coaching like he had earlier in his career under Parcells, Drew can be a very good QB. The only difference now may be that Drew is more experienced, more mature, and smarter than he was when he was younger.

    I'm telling you with the changes we have made offensively Drew is going to surprise you with a very good year. You'll see.
    Last edited by buffmaniac; 07-29-2004 at 02:17 PM.

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    Originally posted by TedMock
    Mark Campbell said that we didn't have one play action in the entire playbook last season.
    It's the numerous tidbits like this one that everyone should focus on.

    The coaching problems form the past two years are not someone's opinion. They are documented fact. Recorded statistics, such as nearly 80 straight pass attempts on 3rd and short, should not be overlooked.

    Drew does have problems. Always has had them. Everyone in the league is aware of them. Drew also has a couple of assets that everyone in the league is aware of two. That's what happens when you've been around for 10 years. You aren't going to shock anyone with new abilities. Unfortunately, GW and Gilbride never seemed to have read that scouting report. Or any scouting report, for that matter.

    As I've stated before, I absolutely refuse to judge the performance of any of last year's Offensive players because all of those performances were tainted by the coaching.

    Case in point: Drew had nearly 50 sacks last season. How many do you think resulted from those nearly 80 straight 3rd and short pass attempts? Now, how many do you think resulted from the complete lack of a play action arrangement? That's just the two factors we've mentioned in this thread. Mr. Imobile might cut his sack total in half this year with very little change on his part. If Sam can teach Drew to let it go a bit sooner, that number might drop by 2/3.
    Still searching for that offensive rhythm.

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    All signs point to a Drew comeback. He's proven that he can play very well, with help. Help has arrived.
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    Drew Bledsoe.. I wont lie fellas I went out and Bought myself a Drew Jersey... =P But last season was not impressive... Leaving 2002 season I was hopefull.. hell I was VERY Hopefull. I thought we were Playoff Bound... Again... I think its possible this season as well.. But thats a different Thread... I want Drew play like a BIG MONEY QB should play. He has all the tools at his disposal to to have a Career Season, but will he. Time will tell. I place faith in the new coaching staff and the new WARRIORS we have added to our TEAM. The question is what was the problem Drew had last year was it the Lack of Receivers, The Lack of Protection, The Playbook, The Coaching Staff, or DREW... I can tell you whatever the problem was it was surely addressed this off season. We got receivers!!! We Got Help On The Protection Issues, We got a NEW playbook, We got new Coaching Staff, And hell fellas we got a decent guy riding Shotgun (JP). So lets all stop reading things we feel like we've 1500 times and focus on what is to come not what has left. Just my thoughts... I'm sure I RANTED on and on.. But hey guys "GET USED TO IT..." =P
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    If this team shapes up as most of us expect - better coaching, O line, running attack and receivers - but Drew still struggles, I think most of us who have supported him will say honestly that his time is up.
    Should have known, way back in 1960 when we drafted Richie Lucas Number 1, that this would be a long, hard ride. But who could have known it would be THIS bad?

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    Originally posted by TedMock
    Mark Campbell said that we didn't have one play action in the entire playbook last season. . .
    :hamrhed:

    WHAT?!?!?!?! How can you have a TOP TIER running back in Travis Henry, getting near (exceeding, in some cases) 5ypc, and not have a SINGLE play action in the book?! I can't get over how brilliant Gilbride's passing theory can be, when his overall gameplan is so WACKED!

    (why does this even surprise me?)

    As for Drew, let's not forget that this is the same guy that nearly broke Marino's single-season passing record in 2002. Yeah, I think you've got to at least be kinda good to do that.
    Last edited by Charlieguide; 07-31-2004 at 12:49 AM.
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