Build A New Stadium, or Keep The Ralph And Spend "Only," About $400 Million?

[better days]

Re: Build A New Stadium, or Keep The Ralph And Spend "Only," About $400 Million?

University of Cincinnati is paying rent to use Paul Brown Stadium this season while their on-campus stadium is renovated. They have paid rent every time they've played there.

Is that good enough for you?

Contact Erie County and ask them if they would let UB play there for free.
Let us know what they say.

I don't know if Ohio owns Paul Brown Stadium do you?

And how much rent does UC pay?

Is it a lot of money or a token amount?

[Dude]

Re: Build A New Stadium, or Keep The Ralph And Spend "Only," About $400 Million?

I don't know if Ohio owns Paul Brown Stadium do you?

And how much rent does UC pay?

Is it a lot of money or a token amount?

Hamilton County owns PBS. I don't know what the current rate is but in the past they've had to sell at least 40,000 tickets to break even. They are losing money on playing there but have no choice.

If you took some time to educate yourself on the state of economics of sports you could make intelligent points rather than shooting from the homer hip.

[Fletch]

Re: Build A New Stadium, or Keep The Ralph And Spend "Only," About $400 Million?

UB doesn't have the media market. Rutgers only got in the Big 10 because they wanted to get into the NYC market. Buffalo isn't big enough.

Of course, that was my point earlier as well regarding UMass, same thing here.

I was just talking on merit alone. I don't even see it there.

[Fletch]

Re: Build A New Stadium, or Keep The Ralph And Spend "Only," About $400 Million?

Yes. But who's to say it couldn't or wouldn't get rezoned?

Depends upon what was done there. Maybe it can.

I know that much of Kodak Park in Rochester sits idle and can't be rezoned as Kodak turns it into literal parks because of the nature of Kodak's businesses. I don't know how much of that would apply to Rich and OP.

Is the demand for this land residential or commerical?

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YES Seriously. UB is a State College, the Stadium is Government owned.

There is no way in hell the Government is going to charge itself rent.

College football is a for profit industry.

[Albany,n.y.]

Re: Build A New Stadium, or Keep The Ralph And Spend "Only," About $400 Million?

"Delaware North Stadium," is the shiny new car everyone wants, but can we afford it?

I'm sure that the Pegula and Jacobs family can afford to build a new stadium, but can the fans that have supported the team for years afford the higher season ticket prices and PSL fees too?

Look at what people were getting on Ticket Exchange when the Bills were undefeated. A friend sold club level endzone seats for $125 each for the Vikings game-it helps it's row 1-but it's still end zone benches. There are enough fans who can pay double what prices currently are as long as the team is winning. I don't see PSLs ever coming to Buffalo outside of club seats. Even the Jets have many seats without PSLs.

[trapezeus]

Re: Build A New Stadium, or Keep The Ralph And Spend "Only," About $400 Million?

my guess is erie county would not maintain both. i would also assume if pegs is putting money down on a new stadium, he'd want college games there on saturday so that people are downtown, an area he's actively developing. and he gets part of the costs connected to it.

the ub program moving to RWS was a thread that poster tried once before and said it was tweeted by the BLO news and it wasn't. it's not happening.

[stuckincincy]

Re: Build A New Stadium, or Keep The Ralph And Spend "Only," About $400 Million?

Look at what people were getting on Ticket Exchange when the Bills were undefeated. A friend sold club level endzone seats for $125 each for the Vikings game-it helps it's row 1-but it's still end zone benches. There are enough fans who can pay double what prices currently are as long as the team is winning. I don't see PSLs ever coming to Buffalo outside of club seats. Even the Jets have many seats without PSLs.

Not all, but there are a lot of NYJ seats that require plunking down $ for a PSL; Their chart:

http://www.newyorkjets.com/tickets-and-stadium/new-stadium/seating-chart.html

[Dude]

Re: Build A New Stadium, or Keep The Ralph And Spend "Only," About $400 Million?

Depends upon what was done there. Maybe it can.

I know that much of Kodak Park in Rochester sits idle and can't be rezoned as Kodak turns it into literal parks because of the nature of Kodak's businesses. I don't know how much of that would apply to Rich and OP.

Is the demand for this land residential or commerical?

The only thing hazardous about the RWS site is the quality of play by the Bills. I don't think that would be an issue for redevelopment.

As far as current demand, it's for winning football. I don't know if studies have been done on future use, but consider the location. It's a large tract of land located in a heavily populated, high-income area. OP is a desirable suburb so it's logical that demand would be there for housing. That doesn't mean it would go that way. Commercially, it's at a location close to the confluence of several major state routes and it's near two major highways. That makes it attractive to a large business or even for an industrial park.

If RWS were torn down, that land is way too usable for it to sit empty.

[Fletch]

Re: Build A New Stadium, or Keep The Ralph And Spend "Only," About $400 Million?

my guess is erie county would not maintain both. i would also assume if pegs is putting money down on a new stadium, he'd want college games there on saturday so that people are downtown, an area he's actively developing. and he gets part of the costs connected to it.

the ub program moving to RWS was a thread that poster tried once before and said it was tweeted by the BLO news and it wasn't. it's not happening.

Agree that it's not happening.

More than just college games downtown I'd think that it would be a multi-purpose stadium hosting a whole lot of things towards that same effect.

[trapezeus]

Re: Build A New Stadium, or Keep The Ralph And Spend "Only," About $400 Million?

Not all, but there are a lot of NYJ seats that require plunking down $ for a PSL; Their chart:

http://www.newyorkjets.com/tickets-a...ing-chart.html

and if you live in NYC and went to a jets game, they call offering to waive costs and sell well below the face value. Jerry jones got away with it based on the size of his fanbase. Others don't. If NYC has issues with PSL's, its not about economy. it's about what people are willing to pay for a crappy product.

[stuckincincy]

Re: Build A New Stadium, or Keep The Ralph And Spend "Only," About $400 Million?

and if you live in NYC and went to a jets game, they call offering to waive costs and sell well below the face value. Jerry jones got away with it based on the size of his fanbase. Others don't. If NYC has issues with PSL's, its not about economy. it's about what people are willing to pay for a crappy product.

I'm not clear what you are saying. Is the NYJ club discounting their own posted PSL pricing?

[better days]

Re: Build A New Stadium, or Keep The Ralph And Spend "Only," About $400 Million?

Hamilton County owns PBS. I don't know what the current rate is but in the past they've had to sell at least 40,000 tickets to break even. They are losing money on playing there but have no choice.

If you took some time to educate yourself on the state of economics of sports you could make intelligent points rather than shooting from the homer hip.

I would bet if UC is paying rent, it is to the Cinci Bengals Football team, not to any Government.

The Bengals probably have exclusive use of the Stadium in their lease. Anyone else using that Stadium has to pay rent to the Bengals.

If the Bills move, the Stadium will have no tenant.

And the County could very easily transfer ownership of the Stadium to the State with the State picking up some of the operating expenses.

[EricStratton]

Re: Build A New Stadium, or Keep The Ralph And Spend "Only," About $400 Million?

The Jets struggled to sell all of their PSL's in the first offering and had to re-issue at a lower cost as a result. They also left a section of the stadium PSL free.

One thing that PSL's did for both the Jets and Giants is turned the season ticket base upside-down. People who has seats for many years were pushed out in favor or new people from the wait lists.

[stuckincincy]

Re: Build A New Stadium, or Keep The Ralph And Spend "Only," About $400 Million?

I would bet if UC is paying rent, it is to the Cinci Bengals Football team, not to any Government.

The Bengals probably have exclusive use of the Stadium in their lease. Anyone else using that Stadium has to pay rent to the Bengals.

If the Bills move, the Stadium will have no tenant.

And the County could very easily transfer ownership of the Stadium to the State with the State picking up some of the operating expenses.

The Bengals indeed call the shots. That it was the most lopsided deal ever is history - somebody wrote a book about it.

Public opinion - and blackouts - have caused ownership to soften their stance through the years. UC is revamping their campus stadium, and I'm sure that they are paying the costs associated with staging their games. It is possible that the Bgal's aren't extracting a rental fee. Haven't read anything about it either way. My guess is no.

[Dude]

Re: Build A New Stadium, or Keep The Ralph And Spend "Only," About $400 Million?

I would bet if UC is paying rent, it is to the Cinci Bengals Football team, not to any Government.

The Bengals probably have exclusive use of the Stadium in their lease. Anyone else using that Stadium has to pay rent to the Bengals.

If the Bills move, the Stadium will have no tenant.

And the County could very easily transfer ownership of the Stadium to the State with the State picking up some of the operating expenses.

Yes, and as the primary tenant the Bengals pay rent to the county to use the stadium. So either way the county is getting their money.

If the Bills move out of RWS, and UB were to move in, guess who becomes the primary tenant? Guess who has to pay rent? I'll give you a hint: it's UB.

Why would the county transfer ownership? And why would the state want to own the stadium? Further, why would residents of NYC want their tax dollars going to maintain a stadium in Buffalo? It's one thing to use state money to build the things, but for ongoing operations? Would you stand for that if you lived outside the area? I wouldn't.

I really don't think you're putting any thought into what you're saying. Nothing you've posted about this is logical. It's something you really want to see happen because you are obviously a huge fan of the program, but you can't look at the situation objectively to see all the reasons why it won't happen.