The last buffalo fan (08-25-2016)
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Originally Posted by Dr.Lecter
The last buffalo fan (08-25-2016)
From what I understand, you can't.
http://www.sbnation.com/2016/8/8/124...o-chargers-whyAnother possible outcome, though it is very unlikely, would be a sign-and-trade scenario. The Chargers could sign Bosa and then trade him to another team, but San Diego would take a huge cap hit in terms of dead money, so it's unlikely the Chargers would pursue this option considering they would just end up paying Bosa to play for a different team.
The last buffalo fan (08-25-2016)
DraftBoy (08-25-2016),The last buffalo fan (08-25-2016)
Yea with the way that the NFL pro-rates bonuses it would be nearly impossible unless he "waives" the signing bonus and gets it in Year 2 as a roster bonus. And I'm not even sure they can do that but he'd basically have to waive all bonuses and any other cap hits (outside of salary) until he's officially with his new team.
The last buffalo fan (08-25-2016)
I don't understand all the terms of this ****. But it seems to me there is a cap on what they can offer. They reached it. WTF else does he want? The guy is a tool in the order of Vesey right now.
Lou Saban: You can get it done, you can get it done. And what’s more, you’ve gotta get it done.
He can't waive anything for signing bonus. From what I understand it's predetermined based on percentage of cap by draft slot in the first 4 rounds.
Again, this is from what I understand in looking it up.
"Vast majority" I believe is first 4 rounds.As for salaries, the vast majority of drafted players have four years of non-guaranteed minimum salaries, accompanied by a signing bonus that’s not negotiated by the agent, but predetermined by the CBA.
http://mmqb.si.com/2014/05/22/nfl-ro...t-negotiations
Last edited by Mace; 08-24-2016 at 09:40 PM.
DraftBoy (08-25-2016)
If only one team does it I'm missing the collusion basis.
The other way to view this is that allthe other teams aren't having this problem under the same CBA...
It doesn't seem that hard to me. The contract is pretty much known. It's a cheap rate compared to pre-rookie-salary-cap days so what is the problem.
I can't back the Chargers at all here. If they are getting the guy they think they have based on the pick they spent on him they get a steal.
I really don't get this. He gets the same guaranteed money through the life of the deal, but wants to either (no offset) double dip if he's that terrible to get cut in 4 years (before option), or wants more of the money he'll get anyway (I read somewhere it's like 1.5 mil diff) from the Chargers.
It's the same money. It's guaranteed.
Last edited by Mace; 08-24-2016 at 09:57 PM.
Mace (08-24-2016)
IIRC, he wants all his guaranteed $ up front, and wants you to sign up to pay that regardless if he every plays a down. You can't recover future money if I go out and do something bad.
That's like hiring a contractor who says pay me for all the materials and labor costs that I haven't yet incurred - now - before I start the job, and too bad for you if I never show up. And if I do show up and dig a ditch somebody falls in, no skin off my nose. You gotta pay me additional $ to get out of the contract.
Last edited by stuckincincy; 08-24-2016 at 10:07 PM.
Fiat justitia ruat caelum. Noli timere. Laus Deo.
The weird thing to me is that it's still the guaranteed money he's guaranteed. I don't get why anyone is blaming the Chargers. He gets the same money. They offered him up to 15.5 million of 17 million first year that he's going to get anyway. He still gets that 1.5 million and all the rest, because well, it's guaranteed.
That's how guaranteed money works. It's guaranteed even if you are terrible. This is more like scouring the country to find the best contractor in the USA, paying a massive retainer to secure his exclusive rights, and then saying "Woah! What if you're an incompetent buffoon? I gotta protect myself here!"
I'm blaming the Chargers because this always seems to happen to the Chargers. This is, by my count, the sixth franchise type player they've antagonized until it became a public **** flinging contest just in the last 15 years.
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Your books. NFL teams have them.
Would anyone reasonably refuse 15.5 million when they're getting the other 1.5 the next year anyway ?
There is no "if" whatever. It's the same GUARANTEED money by slot. It just is.
Bosa's a Vesey. See Marinovich. **** em all.
2 years ago, simultaneously nearly all the teams independently and without consulting each other in any way whatsoever , suddenly started to demand "offsets" in their rookie contract offers. Prior to this only a couple of teams were using it (Chargers included in that list), and it was a "negotiable" feature of those contracts. In the NFL right now, no team will bend on offsets for rookie deals anymore. It's straight up collusion. And offsets are one of the things the players union is going to try to get rid of next CBA (offsets are ALLOWED in the current CBA; the teams aren't doing anything illegal, it's just curious how it went from a nearly never used contract detail to universally used contract detail which no nfl team will bend on no matter what).
Last edited by Ingtar33; 08-24-2016 at 11:19 PM.