Can you win a Super Bowl without a great #1 WR?

[Chet]

No "from TBC to wishful thinking"....simple plain reality.

I've listed plenty of "facts" over several threads that support what I write.

What "facts" have you presented that refutes my astute observations????

“Anyone of the top WR in this draft class would be better than Diggs.”

Try not to advertise your stupidity.

So let me get this straight…you’re saying that (assuming the Bills draft or make a draft day move to get one of these WRs) despite the best 4-year receiving run in franchise history one of these WRs we draft will do better?

That is wishful thinking. And you know what? We all wish that. But you know the saying, you can wish in one hand and **** in the other “ “ “ “

[kscdogbillsfan1221]

“Anyone of the top WR in this draft class would be better than Diggs.”

Try not to advertise your stupidity.

So let me get this straight…you’re saying that (assuming the Bills draft or make a draft day move to get one of these WRs) despite the best 4-year receiving run in franchise history one of these WRs we draft will do better?

That is wishful thinking. And you know what? We all wish that. But you know the saying, you can wish in one hand and **** in the other “ “ “ “

better than the last overall four years of diggs? no one who's sane thinks the first round rookie will eclipse that immediately.

better than the last half of last year and playoffs diggs? yes, absolutely the first round rookie 'should' be better than that version

[notacon]

BTW...it's fitting that the two....uhhhh....."fans" that refuse to comprehend simple concepts are the two that said this....

After only GAME #5 in 2023...Chet insanely said....

I’m rooting for them to lose from here on out

And Opi, the next week after only WEEK #6 and after a WIN spewed this rubbish...

It’s over. The window isn’t just closed. It’s slammed shut and boarded up.

You two are as credible as the guy who is going to trial next week insisting that he never slept with a certain porn star.

Please...try to sell your crap to somewhere else. It has zero value here.....try the Pats/Fins/Jets forum where you both sound like "homers' for those teams and they would embrace your ignorant anti-Bills baloney.

[notacon]

better than the last overall four years of diggs? no one who's sane thinks the first round rookie will eclipse that immediately.

better than the last half of last year and playoffs diggs? yes, absolutely the first round rookie 'should' be better than that version

You mean the last four years of Diggs PATHETICALLY TERRIBLE PLAYOFF performances....or more accurately his LACK of performance...Especially in every single playoff loss every of the four years he was on this team???? Not anywhere close to a #1 WR, but more like a 4th stringer struggling to stay off the practice squad.

I already detailed his crappy playoff play....

Factoid from Matthew Fairburn of The Athletic....

"Allen threw as many incomplete passes to Diggs on Sunday as he had thrown to Shakir in the last eight weeks combined."

Diggs has been invisible in the playoffs for the Bills. ESPECIALLY in the four playoff losses. Here are Diggs playoff stats with he Bills....

	TGS	REC	Catch %	Yards	AVG/Y/C	Long	TD
Chiefs L	8	3	37.50%	21	7	15	0
Pittsburgh W	9	7	77.78%	52	7.4	12	0
Bengals L	10	4	40.00%	35	8.8	16	0
Miami W	9	7	77.78%	114	16.3	52	0
Chiefs L	6	3	50.00%	7	2.3	5	0
Pats W	4	3	75.00%	60	20	45	0
Chiefs L	11	6	54.55%	77	12.8	34	0
Ravens W	11	8	72.73%	106	13.3	20	1
Colts W	9	6	66.67%	128	21.3	36	1
								AVG/Y/G
Totals	77	47	61.04%	600	12.77	45	2	66.67
LOSSES	35	16	45.71%	140	8.75	34	0	35

This catch just has to be made. ...






Diggs is the 5th highest paid WR in the NFL with an AVG/Y contact worth $24M.


That computes to $205,128 per catch (including playoffs). There may be some severe cap pain, but for the good of the team, it's probably time to move on from Stefon Diggs.

Yeah....any number of first round rookies (and WR already on the roster) can easily eclipse this crap in the playoffs...what really matters. Other than that, Josh Allen will easily make Diggs a distant (bad) memory.

[notacon]

BTW....I posted my 100% accurate observations of just how ****ty Diggs has been in the playoffs WAY before they (thankfully) traded him....back in January 2024.

While in your inane "I’m rooting for them to lose from here on out," insufferable bullcrap post, you also said that "...keep Josh, Diggs, and the rookie contracts. Boy oh boy was I smart"

No. Pimping the crappy Diggs as the only vet (besides Josh) worthwhile keeping is the furthest thing from "smart".

[Forward_Lateral]

curtis samuel is not an unnamed rookie.

now i will give you that diggs hasn't been replaced (yet) and McGovern is a big question mark.

other than that, i don't see a drop off with poyer/hyde/tre white with the replacements

And with how Diggs performed when it mattered, and the Bills still won their last 5 games in a row to win the division despite him being a non factor just shows that they didn't need him to win at all.

[OpIv37]

BTW...it's fitting that the two....uhhhh....."fans" that refuse to comprehend simple concepts are the two that said this....

After only GAME #5 in 2023...Chet insanely said....

I’m rooting for them to lose from here on out

And Opi, the next week after only WEEK #6 and after a WIN spewed this rubbish...

It’s over. The window isn’t just closed. It’s slammed shut and boarded up.

You two are as credible as the guy who is going to trial next week insisting that he never slept with a certain porn star.

Please...try to sell your crap to somewhere else. It has zero value here.....try the Pats/Fins/Jets forum where you both sound like "homers' for those teams and they would embrace your ignorant anti-Bills baloney.

The window is shut and boarded up. Last year’s team didn’t win it. This year’s team is worse and there are several AFC teams on the verge of catching up to us, in addition to the ones we already can’t beat.

Josh isn’t getting any younger, and now his huge contract has kicked in so it’ll be even harder to put a quality team around him. We’re never going to get chances as good as the last few years.

[Mad Max]

The window is shut and boarded up. Last year’s team didn’t win it. This year’s team is worse and there are several AFC teams on the verge of catching up to us, in addition to the ones we already can’t beat.

Josh isn’t getting any younger, and now his huge contract has kicked in so it’ll be even harder to put a quality team around him. We’re never going to get chances as good as the last few years.

Stop hiding from me eeyore.

[Forward_Lateral]

The window is shut and boarded up. Last year’s team didn’t win it. This year’s team is worse and there are several AFC teams on the verge of catching up to us, in addition to the ones we already can’t beat.

Josh isn’t getting any younger, and now his huge contract has kicked in so it’ll be even harder to put a quality team around him. We’re never going to get chances as good as the last few years.

Stop saying WE. You are not part of the team. You don't work for the team, you don't play for the team. You are barely a fan.

You saying "WE" is an embarrassment to fans who actually cheer for them and are happy when they win.

[OpIv37]

Stop saying WE. You are not part of the team. You don't work for the team, you don't play for the team. You are barely a fan.

You saying "WE" is an embarrassment to fans who actually cheer for them and are happy when they win.

You’ve never seen me on game day. I do cheer for them. I am happy when they win.

I don’t know why so many of you can’t comprehend that it’s possible to separate what I want to happen from what I expect to happen.

[sukie]

Expectations are premeditated resentments.

[Chet]

BTW...it's fitting that the two....uhhhh....."fans" that refuse to comprehend simple concepts are the two that said this....

After only GAME #5 in 2023...Chet insanely said....

I’m rooting for them to lose from here on out

And Opi, the next week after only WEEK #6 and after a WIN spewed this rubbish...

It’s over. The window isn’t just closed. It’s slammed shut and boarded up.

You two are as credible as the guy who is going to trial next week insisting that he never slept with a certain porn star.

Please...try to sell your crap to somewhere else. It has zero value here.....try the Pats/Fins/Jets forum where you both sound like "homers' for those teams and they would embrace your ignorant anti-Bills baloney.

And with all that rambling the Bills STILL failed and have reached their ceiling. Facts don’t care about your feelings.

You are right at about a 20% clip and your endgame is always wrong. Always.

In regards to roster changes, YOU ALWAYS THINK THE NEXT MAN UP IS BETTER because you’re a shameless homer. In fact, the ONLY time you didn’t subscribe to this philosophy was with Tremaine Edmunds, who turned out to be the turd we all thought he was in relation to the god-given size and measurables he possesses. Bernard was light years better and actually impacted games, not just empty stat collecting.

You are wrong far more than you are right. Here’s a prediction: The Bills will be first-round fodder this year at best. You will run away and be noncommittal towards a prediction because that’s what you do. You complain about others but don’t have the balls to stick your neck out and risk your fragile ego being wrong.

[Chet]

better than the last overall four years of diggs? no one who's sane thinks the first round rookie will eclipse that immediately.

better than the last half of last year and playoffs diggs? yes, absolutely the first round rookie 'should' be better than that version

Even with Diggs sandbagging the last half of 2023 it would be an absolute coup if our (assumed) rookie WR puts up better numbers than Diggs. Whomever we draft with our first will have to be our #1 as well, since the other guys are good pieces but not stars. The rookie will have every chance to shine and surpass Diggs. I don’t see it happening unless they grab one of the top 3 wideouts.

[Chet]

Btw, you gotta love the hypocrisy of Notty. His circular arguments have come back to bite him in the ass. Homeboy wants to bury Diggs for poor playoff performances but he is more than happy to lap up the regular season semen of Sean McDermott and Leslie Frazier who turn into Marty Schottenheimer and Tom Olivadatti in the playoffs.

Pick a lane, you’re all over the place

[kscdogbillsfan1221]

Even with Diggs sandbagging the last half of 2023 it would be an absolute coup if our (assumed) rookie WR puts up better numbers than Diggs. Whomever we draft with our first will have to be our #1 as well, since the other guys are good pieces but not stars. The rookie will have every chance to shine and surpass Diggs. I don’t see it happening unless they grab one of the top 3 wideouts.

better than 43 yards per game?

I can see any of the first round rookies doing Better than that

[Mad Max]

better than 43 yards per game?

I can see any of the first round rookies doing Better than that

Don’t see how they wouldn’t. It feels like we’re piling on a now former player but it definitely felt like dude checked out for the last half of the season.

You're getting paid millions to play a freaking game. NEVER check out. Show up one hundred percent every game.

[OpIv37]

Btw, you gotta love the hypocrisy of Notty. His circular arguments have come back to bite him in the ass. Homeboy wants to bury Diggs for poor playoff performances but he is more than happy to lap up the regular season semen of Sean McDermott and Leslie Frazier who turn into Marty Schottenheimer and Tom Olivadatti in the playoffs.

Pick a lane, you’re all over the place

Sorta his MO. He does the same thing with politics. To be fair, notty and I almost always agree when it comes to politics. But he does the same thing he does with the Bills. He digs in on the Democrats and never admits that they are wrong or made a mistake or have flaws. He gets entrenched in his side. I’ll give him credit for loyalty but it often clouds his views.

[Chet]

better than 43 yards per game?

I can see any of the first round rookies doing Better than that

Mate you can’t cherry pick what you want or don’t want to include. You take the whole package and assess from there. Will our rookie first rounder help us win games, draw doubles, shift coverages, and put up those kind of numbers over the course of his first season? As far as the playoffs, any middling WR can have a couple fluky playoff games (hell, we just jettisoned one ourselves).

I agree that a lot of these guys are “capable” of it, but it’s still a long shot in the first year. It looks like a great class, but time will tell who turns out to be your Jalen Reagor, Traylon Burks, Kevin White, Corey Coleman, John Ross, N’Keal Harry, and I could literally go on for an hour if I pulled up Google and just searched for more.

They all could be studs, busts, chronically injured or just painfully mediocre. To argue that they will be better than the best 4 year stretch of receiving in franchise history is wishful thinking…until it’s not.

[notacon]

The window is shut and boarded up. Last year’s team didn’t win it. This year’s team is worse and there are several AFC teams on the verge of catching up to us, in addition to the ones we already can’t beat.

Josh isn’t getting any younger, and now his huge contract has kicked in so it’ll be even harder to put a quality team around him. We’re never going to get chances as good as the last few years.

Thank you for verifying my premise 100%.

I will repeat....You are as credible as the guy who is going to trial next week insisting that he never slept with a certain porn star.

Please...try to sell your crap to somewhere else. It has zero value here.....try the Pats/Fins/Jets forum where you both sound like "homers' for those teams and they would embrace your ignorant anti-Bills baloney.

[notacon]

And with all that rambling the Bills STILL failed and have reached their ceiling. Facts don’t care about your feelings.

You are right at about a 20% clip and your endgame is always wrong. Always.

In regards to roster changes, YOU ALWAYS THINK THE NEXT MAN UP IS BETTER because you’re a shameless homer. In fact, the ONLY time you didn’t subscribe to this philosophy was with Tremaine Edmunds, who turned out to be the turd we all thought he was in relation to the god-given size and measurables he possesses. Bernard was light years better and actually impacted games, not just empty stat collecting.

You are wrong far more than you are right. Here’s a prediction: The Bills will be first-round fodder this year at best. You will run away and be noncommittal towards a prediction because that’s what you do. You complain about others but don’t have the balls to stick your neck out and risk your fragile ego being wrong.

Actually, I am right a lot more than I am wrong. It's undeniable. You are sadly mistaken when you ignorantly say that "You are right at about a 20% clip and your endgame is always wrong. Always."

But, hey...I have plenty of posts that you can go though and show exactly when I am "wrong" 80% of the time. With links and full context. Put up or STFU!!!

I present "facts" all the time. Just like I did for Diggs abysmal, bad, terrible, useless playoff performances. Especially the last two playoff loses. Yet, YOU value him SO highly that you single him (and Josh...well...even a broken clock gets the correct time twice a day) as the only vets that should stay on the team.

You, being a biased anti-Bills whiner, do not have the capacity to comprehend undeniable facts and simple reality.

YOU are the one who basically (incredibly stupidly) wants to blow up the team and keep only vets Allen and Diggs ( the Bills could not wait to get rid at that cancer).


Yeah...sooooooooo smart. Get rid of Matt Milano, Taron Johnson, Dion Dawkins, Ed Oliver, DaQuan Jones, Rasul Douglas, Dawson Knox, Conner McGovern, Aj Epenesa...etc...how ****ing idiotic.

YOU were the one who ROOTED for the Bills to lose out after only five games last year.

THANKFULLY NO ONE in the Bills organization will listen to ANY of your moronic advice. In fact, they would laugh their asses off at your insipid baloney and dismiss it for exactly what it is....irrelevant noise coming from a "fan" that knows a LOT less about football than he thinks he does. A legend in his own warped mind.

Jesus....try to sell your crap on the Pats/Fins/Jets forums where they would eat up your anti-Bills bull****!!!

You and Opi can go there as a couple....