Of course this was cheating...and of the worst kind.Originally Posted by Spartacus
ANYONE who is defending these cheaters should be ashamed of themselves.
Yes, they cheated and got caught.
No, cheating happens.
Of course this was cheating...and of the worst kind.
ANYONE who is defending these cheaters should be ashamed of themselves.
the reason its a joke is because you just know nothing real is going to happen. they're going to take away some draft picks and fine them some money but that's not going to change the results. to me this is serious but about one tenth as bad as spyg and they did nothing real about that. as repeat offenders both Belichick and Brady should be suspended for the Super Bowl at least but there aint a fat girls chance in hell of that happening
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gebobs (01-22-2015)
This is really no different than what happened to the Chargers when they were caught using Stick Um back in 2012. Oh wait, it wasn't stick um, it was just a towel that had sticky type substance on it...ie swept under the rug by the NFL.
Chargers were fined 20k for it.
thanks for showing us you are a pats fan. And if this ruins your superbowl, excellent.
Stealing signals when the league specifically says you can't do that in a memo, is cheating. and yes, if you have a team of people dedicated to breaking those signals down and wiring them in from the booth to the QB after the 15 second cut off, that is a huge advantage. Every qb interviewed on the subject agrees as much. if they were given the exact defense they are matching up against, they can essentially skip reading the defense and use the 4 seconds to have a quick release to the guy who will be covered the least.
the fact this is taking so long and the fact the implications can be that the refs themselves knew and didn't do anything about it is beginning to make this seem like it's a big deal.
i hope the pats win the superbowl so badly now and that the crowd just boos the **** out of them.
No No No . you got all wrong jack-a$$ . I hope and all NFL Fans (except Cheater ) want Seahawks wipe out the cheater/spy gate . you are still loser and 100% it still cheater.
imbondz (01-22-2015)
Belichick is twisted. He's got a problem. For the sake of the game, he should be banned. In a perfect world, Goodell would disqualify them. But he will likely apply the punishment stated in the rules. What is it? $25k per ball. And that's the evil madness of Belichick. He flouts the edges of the rules, the spirit, the intent to garner a significant advantage over his opponents who play faithfully within the rules.
In a perfect world, the commish would investigate Brady's role. In a perfect world, the investigation would discover the obvious: there's no way in the world that he could not have known and there it is likely it was done with his knowledge if not by his direction. According to a Ravens fan I work with, they noticed the deflated balls too and notified the Colts.
There's a pattern of rule abuse here going back at least 10 years. Fines mean nothing to these guys and they obviously have no regrets having been caught before. Next year, they'll pore through the rule book and look for another crack to slip through. In a perfect world, drastic action would be taken. As others have mentioned, such action might include forced sale, banishment, forfeiture of the whole season, etc.
But it's not a perfect world. Far from it. And here is how it will probably go down...
Lehner's history. He just doesn't know it yet.
Generalissimus Gibby (01-22-2015)
Even in the "if you ain't cheatin', you ain't competin' world of Nascar/Sprint Cup racing...drivers/teams get fined, suspended, and points taken away when they're caught.
"If you don't cheat, you look like an idiot. If you do it and you don't get caught, you look like a hero. If you do it and get caught, you look like a dope. Put me in the category where I belong,"
~Darrell Waltrip, after getting caught with nitrous oxide in his fuel tank at Daytona.
The times baseball players have been caught with corked bats, they usually got suspended for around 10 games.
I have no idea why the Pats should be exempt from punishment when they get their hand caught in the cookie jar...again.
But I will say, I do enjoy watching the Evil Genius morph into the village idiot when he's caught.
His pleas of ignorance are akin to a 10 year old.
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I'm fine with a $25k fine per ball.
Let's see, 11 balls per game...14 seasons...plus 30 playoff games...that's $69.85 Million, let's round it to a cool $70 mil. Write the check, Bill.
notacon (01-22-2015)
Besides the response that showed how Mark Brunell didn't laugh this off. Here's another link that shows you how stupid your argument is, this time from Aikman.
http://nypost.com/2015/01/22/aikman-...k-should-burn/
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I heard a clip from Polian this morning on WGR.
Polian said this was a MAJOR INFRACTION, NOT a misdemeanor!
Joe Fo Sho (01-23-2015),notacon (01-22-2015)
And on Profootballtalk.com, John Harbaugh is saying yes it is an unfair advantage to deflate ball & it is CHEATING.
Troy Aikman is saying the Pats* should get greater punishment than the Saints got for bountygate.
So you're telling us that the League took away a draft pick and fined them .5 million because they didn't cheat? Thats just stupid.
Spygate may be stupid but it was cheating. It was also INTENTIONAL cheating.
In other leagues other sports, teams/players pay for UNINTENTIONAL MISTAKES. Spygate was intentional.
I still do not think Indy should be in the Superbowl. That being said, I am all for the Colts and Ravens --playing for the right to represent the AFC in the Superbowl this weekend. Failing that, because I know it would give Seattle an unfair advantage, I say let the Pats play in the Superbowl but only under the following conditions:
1. Brady and Bellichick cannot be involved in playing, game planning, practice, or participating in any way, shape or form with the game.
2. The Patriots get an asterisk in any media guide or league material to denote that all wins this year are suspect
3. If they win the superbowl they get an asterisk, see 2.
4. If they lose they get an asterisk
5. Seattle gets a 2 point advantage, and gets to return the opening kickoff to start the game.
6. Roger Goodell must appear at Halftime and tender his resignation and beg for the nation's forgiveness for his role in forever tarnishing the reputation of the League.
Last edited by Generalissimus Gibby; 01-22-2015 at 02:56 PM.
LOL!!!!
coastal (01-22-2015)
Yes, the broke the rules again. I can't see disqualifying them from the Super Bowl. Punishment should come in the forms of fines, draft choices and suspensions.
imbondz (01-22-2015)
kinda like the pine tar incident back in the day in baseball or pitchers using spit balls…etc. it's cheating, but not on a disqualifying level like Spygate was.
my thing is if there's rules, why aren't there punishments already in place if those established rules are broken? now it seems like the NFL is making it up as they go.
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Lone Stranger (01-22-2015)
They should be banned from the Super Bowl and get the stiffest penalties allowed by the NFL. This is really damning:
http://www.sharpfootballanalysis.com/blog/?p=2932
this needs it's own thread!! That is crazy. @#$%@#^#@%^#@$%@%@#E
I take back my light sentence after watching that.
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