When Josh opts out after the 2025 season.

[Forward_Lateral]

Still don't see where it says that in the link I provided.

It literally takes 2 minutes to google and find the answer.

[Goobylal]

We’re out of cap prison after this season bud.

QBs get paid and we’ll pay Josh and he’ll be very happy in Buffalo. Stop being so negative!

Yup. The youth influx will help significantly with the cap.

[TacklingDummy]

It literally takes 2 minutes to google and find the answer.

Your work, not mine. My contract link doesn't say what you claim.

[kgun12]

Yeah it’s actually the truth. We just released a bunch of quality expensive vets, and replaced them with backups and draft picks.

We’re currently 28th in the NFL with $2.1 million in remaining cap.

The salary cap is a real thing, and the % of cap eaten by the QB’s salary creates a real problem for teams, no matter how much you want to pretend it doesn’t.

Op, other than Morse who are these quality players you keep referring to and what part of the salary cap reform don’t you get. They made mistakes with some of these contracts sooner of later they had to fix it. They decided sooner.


They got younger and we will have to see, but I think they got better in most areas especially at both safety positions. You can really believe Hyde and Poyer are still the same players they were 3 years ago, can you?

[TacklingDummy]

It literally takes 2 minutes to google and find the answer.

I had extra time to Google your work. You are correct.

Hopefully the Bills guarantee and also extend Allen again.

[OpIv37]

Op, other than Morse who are these quality players you keep referring to and what part of the salary cap reform don’t you get. They made mistakes with some of these contracts sooner of later they had to fix it. They decided sooner.


They got younger and we will have to see, but I think they got better in most areas especially at both safety positions. You can really believe Hyde and Poyer are still the same players they were 3 years ago, can you?

You’re asking the wrong question. It’s not about 3 years ago. The question is whether the guys we have now are equal or better to the guys we lost. There is zero proof that they are.

And again, my point was about the cap. If we were in good cap shape, do we let all those guys go? I highly doubt it. They were cap moves, not necessarily the best football moves.

[sukie]

I’m seeing that indeed Josh can opt out 2025 if the guaranteed monies aren’t fulfilled. Not just because he wants to

[OpIv37]

And back to the original topic, it looks like Allen can’t opt out, but IIRC, every QB that’s gotten paid since Allen has gotten more than him, and even if that’s not 100% correct, there are numerous QB’s making more than Allen who don’t deserve to.

Mahomes should make more than Allen. You could make a good argument for Burrow, Hurts and Hebert but it’s debatable. Stroud and Lawrence will likely get there but aren’t quite there yet.

I feel like this will eventually be a problem. At some point, Josh is gonna go “how the **** are Kirk Cousins and Kyler Murray making more than me?”

[Goobylal]

And back to the original topic, it looks like Allen can’t opt out, but IIRC, every QB that’s gotten paid since Allen has gotten more than him, and even if that’s not 100% correct, there are numerous QB’s making more than Allen who don’t deserve to.

Mahomes should make more than Allen. You could make a good argument for Burrow, Hurts and Hebert but it’s debatable. Stroud and Lawrence will likely get there but aren’t quite there yet.

I feel like this will eventually be a problem. At some point, Josh is gonna go “how the **** are Kirk Cousins and Kyler Murray making more than me?”

Good argument...for them to be making more than Josh? LOL!. No.

[OpIv37]

Good argument...for them to be making more than Josh? LOL!. No.

They’ve only played a couple of times but Burrow has whooped Allen easily every time. Hurts has gotten to a SB. Josh hasn’t.

But if you’re right, it just makes my point stronger. Josh is eventually gonna get frustrated that he’s getting paid less than guys who aren’t as good as him.

[Woodman]

At some point, Josh is gonna go “how the **** are Kirk Cousins and Kyler Murray making more than me?”

No he won't!

[Goobylal]

They’ve only played a couple of times but Burrow has whooped Allen easily every time. Hurts has gotten to a SB. Josh hasn’t.

But if you’re right, it just makes my point stronger. Josh is eventually gonna get frustrated that he’s getting paid less than guys who aren’t as good as him.

Burrow also had 3 excellent to great WRs, a top RB and a top offensive mind. But he's now missed significant parts of 2 seasons.

As for Hurts, he appears to have been figured-out. This season will tell a lot.

And Josh will renegotiate when he feels ready to do so. The Bills gave him a huge new deal a couple years earlier than they had to.

[Forward_Lateral]

If they don't guarantee the money, I will hand in my fan card

[DetoxTent]

Yes. The Hurts thing is yet to be shown for certain. This season will tell.

[Forward_Lateral]

And back to the original topic, it looks like Allen can’t opt out, but IIRC, every QB that’s gotten paid since Allen has gotten more than him, and even if that’s not 100% correct, there are numerous QB’s making more than Allen who don’t deserve to.

Mahomes should make more than Allen. You could make a good argument for Burrow, Hurts and Hebert but it’s debatable. Stroud and Lawrence will likely get there but aren’t quite there yet.

I feel like this will eventually be a problem. At some point, Josh is gonna go “how the **** are Kirk Cousins and Kyler Murray making more than me?”

You are assuming.

Tom Brady was the best QB on the planet, and he never demanded to be paid anywhere near the most in the league.

Josh seems like the type of guy who really wants to win, and doesn't care about being paid the most.

I could be wrong, but my assumptions are as accurate as yours

[OpIv37]

Burrow also had 3 excellent to great WRs, a top RB and a top offensive mind. But he's now missed significant parts of 2 seasons.

As for Hurts, he appears to have been figured-out. This season will tell a lot.

And Josh will renegotiate when he feels ready to do so. The Bills gave him a huge new deal a couple years earlier than they had to.

The Bills certainly didn't have Hurts figured out back in November...

[OpIv37]

You are assuming.

Tom Brady was the best QB on the planet, and he never demanded to be paid anywhere near the most in the league.

Josh seems like the type of guy who really wants to win, and doesn't care about being paid the most.

I could be wrong, but my assumptions are as accurate as yours

I hope you're right.

But the worst thing about Josh Allen is that he covers for a lot of the team's deficiencies. The Bills' FO doesn't always do the best job of putting a good team around him. "Why get an OL? Josh can just run!"

At some point, I feel like he's gonna start thinking "I'm doing it all myself and we still don't have the talent to win- I might as well get paid as much as the other guys." Obviously, I don't know him personally, but that would be a pretty typical human reaction to that situation.

[ghz in pittsburgh]

I hope Beane learned from what I call "unnecessary extension mistake" with Diggs. a short few years ago. Not saying I'm expecting Allen to drop off performance like Diggs and we just find a replacement. Established franchise QBs are different. You keep them happy not just with money, but more like a part of the "owner" of the team so to speak by involving them with major decisions. Brady is an exception because he knowingly took less. But other recent HOFers like Manning, Brees, Rodgers, Roelithburger all went thru similar experience. None of them required frequent contract re-work to get more money. It is always at extension time, maybe 2 years before their current contract about to expire.

Allen has 4 years to go with his current contract. Moot point at this point because it is not the time.

It's a common perception that he is the 2nd best QB behind Mahomes (or 3rd if you leave out injury concerns on Burrows). So the media or short sighted people will call out under-paid. When it comes to contract negotiations, there are other factors like stats etc. where you are ranked, plus projections in terms of inflation. That's why the new contracts always reset the market. You are a bad GM translate perception to actual dollars unnecessarily. It is unnecessary because it is not time.

[Woodman]

If they don't guarantee the money, I will hand in my fan card

The front office know's this and will do the right thing.

[Woodman]

The Bills restructured much of his compensation for this year into a signing bonus, and he will now account for $30.356 million against the cap. Allen, 27, is under contract through the 2028 season. Allen's contract was also restructured prior to the 2023 season.


5 seasons remain:

1)24-25
2)25-26
3)26-27
4)27-28
5)28-29.