even tho the Patriots make my skin crawl, shouldn't our front office be learning from them how to build a team? Even Randy Moss said recently, New England is a team, he emphasized what a team the entire organization is.
I hate the idea of putting all our stock in the draft. We should be concentrating on FA and trades, and use the draft to compliment who we pick up thru trades. Not the other way around. No?
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Few, Patriots have and will continue with that stockpile of draft picks.
Originally Posted by OpIv37
it's a cliche that isn't really true. When you draft well you have a competitive advantage is all. Then if you can fit in the other pieces you have a winner. You also need a grooming environment that does the right thing with the draft picks. Our organization is such a joke right from the top I don't doubt we could have had some good players that were ruined.
Look at their past 5 drafts and you may not be saying that.
They made maybe the leagues best pick ever with Brady and drafted Wilfork and Seymour... outside of that, all those picks didnt really improve their success. In fact if you look at the number of busts for that team in the past 5 or more years, its probably worse than a lot of the league.
If you look at the Pats, just having more picks doesn't mean you will end up with more great players apparently.
Last edited by X-Era; 10-14-2010 at 05:01 PM.
Who knows with Brady. It was a get lucky thing when Bledsoe was injured.
Pats 2004 Draft:
1 21(21) Vince Wilfork* DT Miami (FL) 1 32(32) Benjamin Watson TE Georgia 2 31(63) Marquise Hill* DE LSU 3 32(95) Guss Scott S Florida 4 17(113) Dexter Reid S North Carolina 4 32(128) Cedric Cobbs RB Arkansas 5 32(164) P.K. Sam* WR Florida St. 7 32(233) Christian Morton CB Illinois
1 very good player- Wilfork, 1 decent player- Watson.
2005:
1 32(32) Logan Mankins OG Fresno St. 3 20(84) Ellis Hobbs CB Iowa St. 3 37(100) Nick Kaczur OT Toledo 4 32(133) James Sanders S Fresno St. 5 34(170) Ryan Claridge OLB UNLV 7 16(230) Matt Cassel QB Southern Cal 7 41(255) Andy Stokes TE William Penn
1 very good player- Mankins,1 decent player- Cassel
2006:
1 21(21) Laurence Maroney RB Minnesota 2 4(36) Chad Jackson WR Florida 3 22(86) David Thomas TE Texas 4 9(106) Garret Mills TE Tulsa 4 21(118) Stephen Gostkowski K Memphis 5 3(136) Ryan O'Callaghan T California 6 22(191) Jeremy Mincey DE Florida 6 36(205) Dan Stevenson OG Notre Dame 6 37(206) Le Kevin Smith DT Nebraska 7 21(229) Willie Andrews S Baylor
Really nothing out of this draft, maybe you could call Maroney a decent player
2007:
1 24 (24) Brandon Meriweather S Miami (FL) 4 28 (127) Kareem Brown DT Miami (FL) 5* 34 (171) Clint Oldenburg OL Colorado State University 6 6 (180) Justin Rogers DE Southern Methodist University 6 28 (202) Mike Richardson CB Notre Dame 6* 34 (208) Justise Hairston RB Central Connecticut State 6* 35 (209) Corey Hilliard T Oklahoma State 7 1 (211) Oscar Lua ILB USC 7* 37 (247) Mike Elgin OL University of Iowa
1 decent player- Merriweather (he was benched he's so good).
2008:
1 10 (10) Jerod Mayo ILB Tennessee
2 31 (62) Terrence Wheatley CB Colorado
3 15 (78) Shawn Crable OLB Michigan
3 31 (94) Kevin O'Connell QB San Diego State
4 30 (129) Jonathan Wilhite CB Auburn
5 18 (153) Matthew Slater S UCLA
6 31 (197) Bo Ruud OLB Nebraska
1 very good player- Jerod Mayo
2009:
2[65] 34 Pat Chung Safety Oregon
2[66] 40 Ron Brace Defensive tackle Boston College
2[67] 41 Darius Butler Cornerback Connecticut
2 58 Sebastian Vollmer Offensive tackle Houston
3[67] 83 Brandon Tate Wide receiver North Carolina
3 97 Tyrone McKenzie Linebacker South Florida
4[68] 123 Rich Ohrnberger Offensive guard Penn State
5 170 George Bussey Offensive guard Louisville
6[68] 198 Jake Ingram Long snapper Hawaii
6 207 Myron Pryor Defensive tackle Kentucky
7[69] 232 Julian Edelman Wide receiver Kent State
7 234 Darryl Richard Defensive tackle Georgia Tech
Can we call any of them decent? Maybe Chung and Tate
So out of 53 picks between the 2004 and 2009 drafts, they got 3 very good players, and a questionable 6 decent players?
Thats good drafting????
3 for 53 is 5.6% very good players
6 for 50 (I took the very good players out) is 12% decent players
I havent done the work, but Id imagine were about on par with that.
Last edited by X-Era; 10-14-2010 at 05:22 PM.
There isn't a team in the league, successful or not, that has been built through the draft.
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I'm trying to figure out whether you should have said "built solely through the draft".
I guess it works either way.
If anything that team shows what a HOF franchise QB can do for you.
I considered 'exclusively', but that would've been too obvious.
Buddy never said he was only going to use the draft, what he said is he wants to draft his stars, pay people the bills drafted, and sign value FA.
In other words we will never sign the Karlos Dansby's of the world.
We still need Luck.
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I think the Chargers, Packers, Colts and Steelers have done a good job of building through the draft.
Free agency seems to be getting thinner and thinner each year. The combination of a lack of available talent and competing with so many teams makes it impossible to build through free agency. How often do franchise type players hit free agency? Plus, the Bills are at a huge disadvantage right now by being one of the least attractive franchises to any potential free agent.
You build the foundation of your team through the draft and fill in key pieces with free agency. And it's hard to significantly improve your team with trades because that requires you giving up something of equal value.
The draft is all Bill Polian really does..... He's so good that when one of his players doesn't make it... it's big news... like that Tony Ugo guy.
Draft Gabbert at #3!
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No. How can you assemble a 53 man roster "mostly" through FA or trades?
The Draft is the foundation, that is what is used to build the framework of teams. Then use FA and trades to fill in the blanks. Not necessarily saying that the weighting is always going to be equal, ie one or two key FA may have more importance overall than many of the drafted foundation, but that by no means negates the value/necessity of that foundation.
Last edited by Mad Max; 10-14-2010 at 06:32 PM.
the Colts are almost completely undrafted free agents, and colts draft picks... the year they won the superbowl they had just 3 people on their roster from FA...
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Build through the draft and supplement through FA and trades.
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