I like the trades a lot!

[Mace]

if this peace of garbage team had a QB none of this happens period. Don't fool yourselves homers...

Nah. San Diego was 5-11 with Rivers, Baltimore 8-8 with Flacco, Arizona 7-8-1 with Palmer, Saints 7-9 with Brees, Panthers 6-10 with Newton, and, the best example of "get that franchise QB because it means everything, the Colts, were 8-8.

Best to build a team and not figure that one mythical guy who isn't there solves everything (Luck, Winston, Mariota, Goff, Lynch, Stafford, Osweiler, etc etc etc...?)

They're doing it right imho.

[Pennywise]

Who says Darby was a question mark?

Pretty much everyone that watched his play last season.

[Pennywise]

We downgraded for sure.

For all the homers that think this was a dazzling piece of brilliance, can you explain to me why professional athlete would want to play for us?

Nobody likes having the rug pulled out from under them this close to the start of the season. You wanna make these moves, fine. But do it before players, especially veterans, commit to play here under false pretenses that we're going to be competitive.

No one's going to put forth any effort this season. And it's doubtful anyone will want to remain here if given the opportunity to leave and play for a franchise that isn't run into the ground year in year out.

These moves are going to repel players from ever wanting to come here. We look even more radioactive than usual.

That statement right there.....that may be the dumbest I've ever read on any Bills message board.

[Mouldsie]

THE TRADE WAS AWFUL.

An entire city is trying to rationalize it. But deep down you know, it was not good.

Here's what happened:
1. A first-time GM took calls from sharks (like Lee Snead)
2. Ran the numbers, and found it made sense ON PAPER
3. Sold it into his clueless boss (Pegula is in over his head) and first-time head coach (ready to stand down)
4. Neither said ****
5. GM makes the move, feels the thrill of exercising his power
6. Realizes the unintended consequences of his action, just when this picture is snapped:



Looks like a guy who has isolated himself.

"Football is a business" is what players say when **** that doesn't sit well happens. But it's not a business, it's people - a team, and according to McDermott, with his daily life story sessions, a brotherhood and family.

And then you cast your biggest best brother away.

If it was going to happen, it should have happened sooner. All this change the culture stuff had momentum and people were buying in, and learning to trust each other again. Then #beanebomb.

The brass of the team traded away their ability to be trusted, which I think will serve to haunt them long-term. The move was cold-blooded, and now every knows the re-launch of the Bills is a phony.

Best take I've seen

[sudzy]

I have not bought into McDermott, yet. The last 17 years have made me like Missouri (the show me state). But, I did like hearing he wants players that have "durability, reliability, accountability, availability" and that's not Sammy. This team is not making the playoffs, this year, with Sammy and Darby. And they are not making the playoffs until they find a QB. So, take a step back, get some player that fit your M O and get some ammo to get a QB. I'm fine with that. Working hard to keep this team 7-9 hasn't help us out any.

[swiper]

Are you serious, the Patriots have been trading good players for years, heck as soon as contract talk start looking like they are going to stall they trade them!

http://www.si.com/nfl/photo/2016/11/...bill-belichick

How many Super Bowls have they won? This is a business for FO's, fans are emotional , teams and players aren't.

I still can't believe they traded Collins to the Browns for a conditional 3rd.

[swiper]

Best take I've seen

Worst take I've seen.

Beane said the calls came when they came. The Rams and the Eagles only recently "got serious." Neither one of those players were elite (like McCoy).

And you'll be singing a different tune if the Bills have a franchise QB next year. (Granted that's an "if.")

[SpikedLemonade]

3-13

[sudzy]

3-13

Is that a bad thing or a good thing?

[POTLAND PSILBYLO]

We traded a talented glass foot for a draft upgrade.

There isn't anyone here who thought the risk of another Watkins injury would tank this team.

This trade made long term sense, with little short term loss, and gambled for short term gain.

[SpikedLemonade]

Is that a bad thing or a good thing?

THE. BEST. THING. EVER.

[The Toe Show]

Worst take I've seen.
Beane said the calls came when they came. The Rams and the Eagles only recently "got serious." Neither one of those players were elite (like McCoy).
And you'll be singing a different tune if the Bills have a franchise QB next year. (Granted that's an "if.")

The Bills haven't drafted a good QB in 30 years.

Is Sam Darnold a franchise QB? or the next Andy Dalton? No one in the world has this College to NFL QB thing figured out. We take good QBs, and turn them into headcases. Way too much pressure. No support. No momentum. It will take a miracle. Oh, and he'll have EVEN LESS WEAPONS around him.

If you're going to tank, tank.

If you're going to change the culture, don't contradict yourself 3 weeks before the season.

Classic drought Bills - inconsistent communications, fluctuating hierarchy, overpay for talent, sell low, finish middle, repeat, marketing > integrity.

Now they're firmly positioned for 6-10, too good to suck, not enough fire power to make it over the edge.

[YardRat]

Kansas City and Denver have never drafted a good quarterback. Ever.

[swiper]

Pretty much everyone that watched his play last season.

Like Dareus, Hughes and the rest of the defense that stunk under Ryan, but excelled under Schwartz?

Try again.

Because that was the coaches, not the player.

[swiper]

Kansas City and Denver have never drafted a good quarterback. Ever.

I'll see you that parroted fact and raise you to remember what the Giants pulled to get Eli. They went to 2 Super Bowls because they did that.

[Mouldsie]

Worst take I've seen.

Beane said the calls came when they came. The Rams and the Eagles only recently "got serious." Neither one of those players were elite (like McCoy).

And you'll be singing a different tune if the Bills have a franchise QB next year. (Granted that's an "if.")

You continually miss my points.

[YardRat]

Like Dareus, Hughes and the rest of the defense that stunk under Ryan, but excelled under Schwartz?

Try again.

Because that was the coaches, not the player.

Darby didn't play under anybody except Wrecks, he never played for Schwartz.

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I'll see you that parroted fact and raise you to remember what the Giants pulled to get Eli. They went to 2 Super Bowls because they did that.

What does that have to do with anything?

[The Toe Show]

I'll see you that parroted fact and raise you to remember what the Giants pulled to get Eli. They went to 2 Super Bowls because they did that.

Eli Manning held out for a trade to NYG, because he thought San Diego was a joke franchise. Sound familiar?

Wouldn't that be the most Buffalo **** ever?

To finally have the assets to draft a consensus franchise QB, only to have him demand a trade to a established franchise?

That **** is going to hurt!

"SAM DARNOLD REFUSES TO PLAY FOR BILLS."

https://www.cbssports.com/nfl/news/a...-the-chargers/

[Ingtar33]

Is Sam Darnold a franchise QB? or the next Andy Dalton? No one in the world has this College to NFL QB thing figured out. We take good QBs, and turn them into headcases. Way too much pressure. No support. No momentum. It will take a miracle. Oh, and he'll have EVEN LESS WEAPONS around him.

Personally I think Josh Allen is a better prospect, but we'll see how this season plays out.

[jamze132]

Oh let's not forget that both guys are on the last year of their contracts. So, if they are fits, we will need to find a way to pay them. If they aren't, we will need to replace them.

Any way you cut it, Watkins will be getting paid more than Matthews so it's a better opportunity for us if he's a fit this season.